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Report: Students Who Transfer From Community College to 4-Year Schools Show Excellent Outcomes

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Replies to: Report: Students Who Transfer From Community College to 4-Year Schools Show Excellent Outcomes

  • OHMomof2OHMomof2 13219 replies247 threads Senior Member
    I'm not seeing the difference between "do well" and "do better" @bluebayou - isn't having a higher grad rate than students who started at the 4 year as frosh or transferred after one year considered "doing better"? Or "well"?
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  • mackinawmackinaw 3040 replies54 threads Senior Member
    This does not surprise me. Way back when I interviewed for my first academic job at a state university in the South, an academic dean told me that students who came to the university after graduating from a "junior" college were more likely to graduate than students who first arrived on campus right out of high school. His explanation was that those "transfer" students on average were more highly focused and motivated to earn their bachelor's degree. So there's a "selection effect": students who went the community/junior college route AND SUCCEEDED were hard working and generally had a good idea what they wanted to study at the major university. It's not that they were smarter, but they were goal oriented.
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  • ccprofandmomof2ccprofandmomof2 486 replies8 threads Member
    Agree with @mackinaw . The completion rate for CC students hoping to transfer is generally pretty horrendous. I think you need to remember that as context, particularly if we are taking this study and using it as evidence to recommend that students who could get into a four-year university go to CC just to save money. There are so many students who start with that plan who don't make it through CC and never get the chance to prove themselves at a university.
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  • jym626jym626 56529 replies2966 threads Senior Member
    I also wonder if they compared the # of t students who transferred in as a sophomore or junior to cohorts who were sophomores or juniors at the 4 year institution, rather than those who started as freshmen. That might better compare apples to apples, eliminating those who washed out after freshman year.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 80109 replies720 threads Senior Member
    particularly if we are taking this study and using it as evidence to recommend that students who could get into a four-year university go to CC just to save money.

    Some CC students may be there to save money because they have no other financially realistic choice. Such students may be the most vulnerable to financial drop out, or not being able to transfer because four year school is still too expensive.

    Analogous situations exist for those with weaker high school records.

    So those who do transfer exclude those with the worst financial situations and those who were unable to handle college academic work, who have dropped out already or decided not to transfer.
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  • mackinawmackinaw 3040 replies54 threads Senior Member
    edited January 2019
    ucb: that link doesn't work for me.
    edited January 2019
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 80109 replies720 threads Senior Member
    edited January 2019
    Looks like the active thread referenced in #26 got merged into this one by the moderators, so it no longer exists as a separate thread. The posts in that other thread are replies #1 through #25 (except #20) of this thread now (reply #1 was post #0 of the other thread).
    edited January 2019
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