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New Forbes and College World University Rankings

ProfessorPlum168ProfessorPlum168 3990 replies86 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
In case you care about rankings, a couple of new rankings has come out in the last couple of days....

Forbes has UC-Berkeley at #13, and yes, the #1 public school
https://www.forbes.com/top-colleges/#5fb50f941987

College World University Rankings has Berkeley at #8 in the world, actually two spots down from last year.
https://cwur.org/2019-2020.php
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  • PublisherPublisher 7783 replies80 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited August 17
    Forbes list is a bit ridiculous with respect to ranking universities in Chicago & in the Midwest. For example, Chicago, Northwestern, Notre Dame & Michigan are lumped together at #16, #17, #18 & #20 with Williams College thrown in at #19. Seems like Forbes treats the Midwestern US schools as a problem that needs to be dealt with & just does so as a group.

    Appears that Forbes is out of touch with all of the above listed schools.
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  • EconPopEconPop 119 replies2 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    @ProfessorPlum168 ,
    Lists are a reflection of the eye of the list maker, but I always find it interesting to note the differences between lists. And, I enjoy determining if the list maker's methodology aligns with my (and my child's) wants from his future university.

    It's interesting to see Wake Forest ranked 27 on US News, 56 on Forbes, 224 (83rd in USA) on CWUR. And it's interesting to see that a school like U of Chicago which is in the top 10 of many lists is at 220 (82 in USA) on CWUR.

    I don't know how much effort I should allow into trying to determine if the fluctuations matter, if being named at all is the only sign that matters, or if it any of these lists matters at all. But I enjoy thinking about it.

    Thanks for the links.
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  • ProfessorPlum168ProfessorPlum168 3990 replies86 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited August 17
    @EconPop since Forbes is about making money, the Forbes list does lean a lot towards things like after-graduation salary and lack of student debt and not necessarily prestige. So personally for a profession like Engineering and CS which typically does not extend beyond undergraduate work, the Forbes list is quite reliable IMO. But I posted this in the Berkeley forum since this is very relevant to Berkeley given the silly events in the past few weeks with the USNews ranking.
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  • ccdad99ccdad99 178 replies1 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited August 17
    @EconPop UChicago is ranked 10th on CWUR. You must be referring to U of Illinois at Chicago at 220th.
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  • sushirittosushiritto 3878 replies11 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    College World University Rankings has Berkeley at #8 in the world, actually two spots down from last year.

    And should be at least a tiny bit concerning for Cal.
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  • ProfessorPlum168ProfessorPlum168 3990 replies86 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    sushiritto wrote: »
    College World University Rankings has Berkeley at #8 in the world, actually two spots down from last year.

    And should be at least a tiny bit concerning for Cal.

    At this point I’ll gladly take anything above #20 lol.
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  • socaldad2002socaldad2002 1326 replies27 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    EconPop wrote: »
    @ProfessorPlum1
    It's interesting to see Wake Forest ranked 27 on US News, 56 on Forbes,.

    Not really that interesting because the US News ranking is based on National Universities and does not consider LAC (e.g. Amherst, Williams, etc.) and regional colleges in contrast Forbes includes all colleges in their rankings. Wake Forest at around #50 is probably about right when looked at ALL U.S. colleges.
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  • socaldad2002socaldad2002 1326 replies27 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Publisher wrote: »
    Forbes list is a bit ridiculous with respect to ranking universities in Chicago & in the Midwest. For example, Chicago, Northwestern, Notre Dame & Michigan are lumped together at #16, #17, #18 & #20 with Williams College thrown in at #19.

    Appears that Forbes is out of touch with all of the above listed schools.

    So which Top 15 colleges above these would you replace? They all look very strong in the rankings including 8 of the ivies, Stanford, Caltech, UCB, Duke, etc. Maybe you can argue UChicago should be top 10 but I don’t see a problem with their #16-20. It’s splitting hairs as to who should be ranked higher.

    At the end of the day, it’s just a list and not the end all be all as many make it out to be.
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  • PublisherPublisher 7783 replies80 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    There are 6 that I would replace. But I think that you miss my point.
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  • Nocreativity1Nocreativity1 1112 replies55 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited August 17
    @Publisher Good thing is rankings are like posts... you can ignore ones you don't like. Not that different than WSJ or Niche....

    WSJ
    1 Harvard
    2 MIT
    3 Yale
    4 Columbia
    5 Caltech
    6 Stanford
    7 Brown
    7 Duke
    9 Princeton
    10 Penn

    Niche
    1) MIT
    2) Stanford
    3) Harvard
    4) Yale
    5) Princeton
    6) Penn
    7) Columbia
    8) Duke
    9) Brown
    10) Cal Tech
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