right arrow
Examples: Monday, today, last week, Mar 26, 3/26/04

Waitlisted students offer to pay classmates to drop courses

lkg4answerslkg4answers 1639 replies193 threadsRegistered User Senior Member

"Multiple students on campus have offered to pay their classmates to drop out of classes they are waitlisted for, raising concerns about over-enrollment and advising."

https://www.dailycal.org/2019/09/13/waitlisted-students-offer-to-pay-classmates-to-drop-courses
edited September 14
8 replies
· Reply · Share

Replies to: Waitlisted students offer to pay classmates to drop courses

  • sushirittosushiritto 4001 replies12 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    This is an interesting quote from that article too.
    CS 61A professor John DeNero explained in an email how the department has “worked hard to create as much capacity in our popular courses as we can, given the limited faculty size and other resources on campus.”
    · Reply · Share
  • Groundwork2022Groundwork2022 2226 replies37 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    It would have taken a lot more than $100.00 to get me to drop a waitlisted class. Just sayin'.
    · Reply · Share
  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone 22975 replies17 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    And do the student who pay automatically get in? Do they know they are #1 on the waitlist?
    · Reply · Share
  • momofsenior1momofsenior1 7266 replies56 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Wow! That's crazy!

    But why doesn't a senior have scheduling priority for a course needed for graduation?
    · Reply · Share
  • lkg4answerslkg4answers 1639 replies193 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    And do the student who pay automatically get in? Do they know they are #1 on the waitlist?

    My kid isn't at Cal but at another UC. He is currently on the waitlist for a course not in his major. The registration website tells him exactly where he is on the waitlist. In his case, the number keeps changing as people drop the class or drop off the waitlist. I imagine it is similar at UCB.

    · Reply · Share
  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 78232 replies690 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited September 14
    Wow! That's crazy!

    But why doesn't a senior have scheduling priority for a course needed for graduation?

    https://classes.berkeley.edu/content/2019-fall-ugba-102b-001-lec-001 says that UGBA 102B (the course in question) has a listed capacity of 120 seats, all 120 of which are reserved for business majors with 5 or more terms in attendance (which is basically all business majors, since one does not get admitted to the business major until one's 5th semester). Current enrollment is 137 with 9 on the wait list.

    The schedule also shows that, for previous terms, the spring semester typically has plenty of space in UGBA 102B, but fall is typically more full. A student who is about to graduate presumably had at least three previous semesters to include that course in his/her schedule. Also, going into one's last semester, s/he should have chosen critical courses during phase 1 enrollment (where all students get to sign up for partial schedules before anyone gets to complete his/her schedule in phase 2).

    The student trying to get into GLOBAL 173 "for a breadth requirement" should be able to find other courses fulfilling whichever breadth requirement s/he needs (GLOBAL 173 can be used for any one of three breadth categories -- there are 45, 11, and 2 courses with open seats in the those categories).

    Seems like this is more of a story about poor schedule planning (over many semesters) on the part of the students. In general, it is best to get required (and required-as-prerequisite) courses done as early as possible, both to avoid this type of situation and to gain more freedom to choose electives as one approaches graduation.
    edited September 14
    · Reply · Share
  • ProfessorPlum168ProfessorPlum168 4066 replies87 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    There’s not really a story to this - just a student who most likely didn’t plan properly as alluded above. This class did fill up on the second day of senior registration and it’s possible the student’s registration date and time was after that. And there is some bad luck involved in that this class was usually 3x larger. However in my opinion the onus is on the student to plan this via berkeleytime.com in advance knowing that certain classes can fill up fast and to prioritize those classes earlier on. Yes it is a pain that classes fill up, but it can happen at all schools, big or small, public or private.

    People get spoiled taking CS classes at Berkeley since many of the popular classes often expand to the point of taking everyone in, and I have a feeling that sometimes some students get too used to this.
    · Reply · Share
  • ElenaParentElenaParent 144 replies1 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    I am trying to guide my very young son through the labyrinth of UCB requirements and overcrowded classes. Yes, the classes are overfull, but all of that can be managed though proper planning, by each individual student. If the person in question (the guy from the Facebook, offering money) wants to get into upper level course **to fulfill a breadth requirement** - all that means that he is not desperate. As a rule, there are plenty of lower division classes with easier, non restricted enrollment. In general, trying to get a breadth requirement met using a class reserved for majors other than your own major - is definitely asking for trouble. I mean, he can enroll into something else that fulfills the requirement and sit on the wait-list for his favorite restricted upper division class, attend both classes and be at least safe in the knowledge that he will get **something**. Look, all historical enrollments are available in BerkeleyTime, one can project what class will be offered when and how many kids will be in each one, at every point in the enrollment process! Everybody should plan. Surely it would have been better if there were more capacity in the buildings, more professors, more GSIs, and more **knowledgeable** advisers, etc. But even in the current situation, it is DEFINITELY possible to plan your whole stay at UCB better, to plan what semester you are taking what course, register the **SECOND** your appointment opens up, be smart about fulfilling all breadths (for example, have several alternative ready and in your shopping cart when you are registering, in each Phase of registration), etc.
    · Reply · Share
Sign In or Register to comment.

Recent Activity