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Replies to: 2019 UCLA v Berkeley Admit Numbers out

  • KTJordan78KTJordan78 175 replies9 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    The two links above confirm acceptance numbers, this link confirms applicant numbers https://www.ucop.edu/institutional-research-academic-planning/_files/factsheets/2019/fall-2019-applications-table-1-1.pdf
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  • KTJordan78KTJordan78 175 replies9 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    New data out today: For Fall '19, UCLA accepted 12.3% of all Freshman applicants, while Berkeley accepted 16.8%. Crazy shift between these two over the past few years.
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  • UCBUSCalumUCBUSCalum 1034 replies4 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Because UCLA's popularity > UCB's (UCLA has over 20K+ more applicants than UCB), I believe a better stat to analyze would be the GPA and SAT/ACT scores which I am sure are similar. Anyone can apply by simply checking the appropriate UC boxes. The more applicants there are, the greater the denominator resulting in a lower acceptance rate (numerator is almost constant). UCLA is a great school and this is not to downplay their 12% acceptance rate compared to Cal's.
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  • 10s4life10s4life 2210 replies47 threadsForum Champion UCLA Forum Champion
    Impressive stuff.
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  • CU123CU123 3540 replies65 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    What is more interesting is that UCSD and UCSB are getting more apps then UCB from Californians and almost as many as UCLA. They only lag in OOS applications.
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  • socaldad2002socaldad2002 1303 replies26 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    The other interesting stat to me is that 2019 applications for CA applicants is down at both UCB & UCLA, which I hope is a trend for the fall class of 2020 when D20 applies this year! Total applicants to all UCs are down about 3% from the peak in 2018.
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  • ProfessorPlum168ProfessorPlum168 3981 replies86 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Southern California has 9 million more people than Northern California, so it would stand to reason that the UC's down south would get more applications than Berkeley and Davis. And as such, the reject rates would be higher.
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  • KTJordan78KTJordan78 175 replies9 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    There has never been a relation to Southern California and Northern California residence when determining which school to apply to. Also, funny how I never saw Cal alum dismiss acceptance easily back when theirs was lower than UCLA's. But the tables turn and suddenly, for the first time in 35 years, acceptance rate suddenly are totally irrelevant.

    Ok.
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  • ProfessorPlum168ProfessorPlum168 3981 replies86 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    You’re wrong since all the other SoCal UCs have higher numbers of applications than Northern California schools.
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  • KTJordan78KTJordan78 175 replies9 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    That is a location desirability issue. Not a "more people live in SoCal" issue. Better weather, bigger cities, closer to beaches. It's not science.

    And regardless, UCLA has always has more applicants than Berkeley. It's actually been the most applied-to university in the country for over 20 years. But something has changed in the last 2-3 years. UCLA's acceptance rate is consistently lower than Berkeley's now, and it never used to be that way. Far from it actually. Very interesting.
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  • bluebayoubluebayou 26690 replies174 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    There has never been a relation to Southern California and Northern California residence when determining which school to apply to.

    That's bcos its hasn't been studied. The vast majority of kids (prefer to?) attend a college close to home, generally a 4-5 hour drive, and why should a UC be any different? The Professor is correct. SoCal is much larger than NorCal so it should be no surprise that UCLA has been receiving more apps than Cal for quite awhile. Heck, LA also receives more OOS apps -- the sun and fun are more attractive to the easterners that NorCal grunge -- as well as more International apps.

    as an aside, those of us who follow college admissions closely, know that admission rate/yield is not a very meaningful statistic since it is so easily manipulated (in general, but not by a UC campus). But admission rate/yield are always fun for bragging rights.
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  • sushirittosushiritto 3856 replies9 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    The vast majority of kids (prefer to?) attend a college close to home, generally a 4-5 hour drive, and why should a UC be any different? The Professor is correct.

    Add one more person to the list of folks who agree with the Professor. In fact, I have a rising HS junior, who for the time being (kids change), appears to want to stay closer to home. Larger population = more apps. And SoCal is far larger in terms of population. We're located in the NorCal.

    BTW, USNWR dropped admissions rate data as a ranking indicator.
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  • KTJordan78KTJordan78 175 replies9 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    All of these accounts of a particular person that prefers to live close to home are great. But getting back to the thread: Berkeley had a significantly lower acceptance rate that UCLA for at least the last 30 years. Now UCLA's is about 5% lower than Berkeley's. Unless those campuses have moved, or California cities have moved, I'm not sure I see how it relates to this post. Just wanted to clarify.
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  • KTJordan78KTJordan78 175 replies9 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited July 24
    Just as an example:
    1997: Berkeley, 31.4% UCLA, 36.3% (Berkeley up 4.9%)
    2019: Berkeley, 16.8% UCLA 12.3% (Berkeley down 4.5%)
    edited July 24
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  • sushirittosushiritto 3856 replies9 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Now compare that back to the rate of population growth of each area and the demographic changes in CA since 1997. And any other changes that may have affected the final results.

    Again, UCLA, UCSB, UCSD and UCI all have larger application #'s than any of the NorCal UC's, as the Professor mentioned above. Also, another factor is that UC Merced opened its campus in 2005 and has gained popularity amongst applicants, possibly draining applications away from other NorCal schools, including Cal.

    Also, Cal Poly SLO's numbers would have to examined too, since it's rise in popularity here in NorCal. My point is that there are many factors and the raw data isn't the entire story.
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  • KTJordan78KTJordan78 175 replies9 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    No disrespect to the 7,000 students currently attending UC Merced , but I don't think UC Merced is pulling a meaningful amount of potential students from UC Berkeley.
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  • KTJordan78KTJordan78 175 replies9 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    And surprisingly, Northern CA counties have grown at a faster rate than Southern CA counties over the past 20 years, so according to the theories posted on this thread, the opposite admit rate trends should be occurring. https://journal.firsttuesday.us/golden-state-population-trends/9007/
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  • sushirittosushiritto 3856 replies9 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    How many counties are there in CA? 58.

    And how many are represented in those charts? 10.
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  • sushirittosushiritto 3856 replies9 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited July 24
    No disrespect to the 7,000 students currently attending UC Merced

    How about some respect for UC Merced? UC Merced rated one of the best new universities.
    UC Merced continues to build on its reputation as a world-class research university, debuting at No. 4 among U.S. universities in the 2019 Times Higher Education Young University Rankings released today.
    The ranking is the latest in a string of accolades for UC Merced. Last fall, U.S. News and World Report ranked the university at No. 67 among public schools, a jump of 20 spots from the previous year — while also ranking No. 2 in the nation for outperforming graduation rate expectations, No. 15 for social mobility and No. 17 among public universities for best undergraduate teaching. Late last year, Education Dive recognized UC Merced as “University of the Year” in their Dive Awards, which honor innovators and disruptors in higher education.

    edited July 24
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  • KTJordan78KTJordan78 175 replies9 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    I'm honestly not here to fight. I'm not sure why you are being so combative. UC Merced is a tiny school with a very different applicant pool than Berkeley. Yes, I know that SoCal is now and has always been bigger than Nor Cal, but the data shows that Nor Cal is still growing at a faster rate (thanks, I am sure, to the tech boom in the Bay Area over the past 20+ years)

    UCLA has just shifted and become a more desirable school to many high school seniors, and is no longer seen as the "second choice" school to Berkeley that it once was. I think applicant and admit rates are pretty clear on that.

    Also, for the record, those 10 CA counties represent about 75% of the state’s population.
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