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r31ncarnat3d, you can argue the same for a community college because quality of education is such a relative thing. What happens is that some people think that a UC is worth attending because "it's a UC". That's not true particularly for undergraduates. There are a handful of CSUs that a stronger academic reputation than the lower-tier UCs (M, R, SC). One CSU (Cal Poly-SLO) is as good as the mid-tier UCs (D, SB, I). What no one says is that a lot of kids graduating from UCs don't cut it for grad school. They are left with hefty loans. Would you pay twice as much for UCM as for Cal Poly-SLO?
hmmmm......engineers don't have think like scientists? That's something new...and if you think that's true, you shouldn't risk your life flying on an airplane, or do any of your most critical computation on computers, or make a life saving call on a cell phone, etc....
And to top that off, all world class engineering schools like Caltech, MIT, Stanford, etc. they should just convert them to pure science research departments; hey why deal with vocational training? I heard DeVry or ITT does that.
Is that what they are REALLY teaching you at UCM?
If so, that's a breathtaking education.