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UChicago holds third place with Yale in 2018 USNWR ranking

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Replies to: UChicago holds third place with Yale in 2018 USNWR ranking

  • Cue7Cue7 Registered User Posts: 2,281 Senior Member
    edited September 12
    @kaukauna - @Chrchill needs to stay true to his moniker, right? Never, ever, ever surrender!

    (And @Chrchill - I've missed you too, but I won't retreat from my home base: UChicago is both great and not great.)
  • prezbuckyprezbucky Registered User Posts: 3,513 Senior Member
    I was going to say "Cue 'Never Surrender' by Corey Hart." haha
  • ChrchillChrchill Registered User Posts: 903 Member
    @Cue7 I agree. Only Harvard is forever and ubiquitously great. Semper Fi.
  • ChrchillChrchill Registered User Posts: 903 Member
    @prezbucky great to see you again. I guess we have all been away too long ... Who are the two individuals in your pic?
  • marlowe1marlowe1 Registered User Posts: 236 Junior Member
    We cannot say that a thing both is and is not. See Aristotle, the Posterior Analytics, for proof of this, which some would say is foundational for our civilization and goes by the name of "the doctrine of the excluded middle". We all love Cue, but as Aristotle himself said about Plato, "I love him, but I love truth more."
  • prezbuckyprezbucky Registered User Posts: 3,513 Senior Member
    My wife and I, O Duke of East and West Cambridge!
  • ChrchillChrchill Registered User Posts: 903 Member
    cool!
  • prezbuckyprezbucky Registered User Posts: 3,513 Senior Member
    edited September 12
    @marlowe1 re: 20

    "We cannot say that a thing both is and is not."

    Sort of. ;-)
  • ChrchillChrchill Registered User Posts: 903 Member
    @marlowe1 Aristotelis (proper pronunciation) hath seen no wrath like @Cue7 scorned ...
  • ChrchillChrchill Registered User Posts: 903 Member
    in all seriousness. With world university rankings placing UChicago in top 5-6 in the US (even without engineering in a rankings that are STEM biased) and USNWR yet again placing it in third, it's time for even the doubters, critics and haters to wake up and smell the Humus.
  • ZinheadZinhead Registered User Posts: 2,610 Senior Member
    Right on Cue, Chrchill will never surrender!

    He will go on to the end. He will fight on College Confidential, he will fight on the message boards and chatrooms, he shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength on the internet, he will defend Hyde Park, whatever the cost may be.

    He shall fight on the College Search and Selection forum, he shall fight on the What Are My Chances threads, he shall fight in the Parents Cafe, he shall fight in the UChicago forum; he will never surrender!!
  • ChrchillChrchill Registered User Posts: 903 Member
    @zinhead only if he ever figures out how posting actually works here ...
  • ThankYouforHelpThankYouforHelp Registered User Posts: 1,223 Senior Member
    "He will go on to the end. He will fight on College Confidential, he will fight on the message boards and chatrooms, he shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength on the internet, he will defend Hyde Park, whatever the cost may be.

    He shall fight on the College Search and Selection forum, he shall fight on the What Are My Chances threads, he shall fight in the Parents Cafe, he shall fight in the UChicago forum; he will never surrender!!"

    And Cue7 will be right there behind him, the Dr. Moriarity to Chrchill's Sherlock Holmes, no matter the subject at issue, no mater the forum, he shall ever seek to undermine and find fault. Let no gift horse's mouth remain unexamined, let no parade be denied its rightful rainstorm.
  • DunBoyerDunBoyer Registered User Posts: 127 Junior Member
    edited September 12
    "With world university rankings placing UChicago in top 5-6 in the US...and USNWR yet again placing it in third, it's time for even the doubters, critics and haters to wake up and smell the Humus." -UChicago booster, 2017

    "If I’m the third most envied man in America, the small group of haters and losers must be nauseas." - Donald Trump, 2013.

    I think both UChicago and President Trump have better things to worry about than showing "doubters, critics, and haters" who's boss.

    There's a lot to like about the University, which is why I'm here in the first place. There are also many things about the University that could change for the better, and I think some of the Zimmer Administration's choices - past and present - fall in the latter category. A fair number of the choices I find concerning seem motivated by a desire to boost our US News ranking.

    I see this as the tail wagging the dog, particularly when US News criteria actively discourage efficient spending and admissions policies that are fair to low-income applicants. This article, which I posted a few days ago, spells out the dynamics at play in considerable detail: http://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/top-college-rankings-list-2017-us-news-investigation/

    I think affordability and access for low-income students are particularly valid concerns at UChicago, even by comparison with peer institutions. I also have concerns that have nothing to do with the College's ranking, such as the fact all our spending hasn't brought the turnaround time for a document I requested from College Aid below two and a half months (to date).

    If this makes me, and the students, parents, and alums who share these concerns, haters, Dean Ellison will fiercely defend our right to be haters, safe spaces be damned. I prefer to think of these neverending debates as examples of rigorous inquiry. We like that here - right?

    Being ranked #3 is nicer than being ranked #4, but less nice than being ranked #2, for those who care about such things. We're still #1 at being confused with UIC, so I take comfort in the certainty that UChicago will always dominate at least one ranking.
  • marlowe1marlowe1 Registered User Posts: 236 Junior Member
    Not to detract from your concerns, @DunBoyer , but my reading of the stats referenced in the article indicate to me that at least as of 2011 UChicago was significantly different from its peers in having a relatively low percentage (10 per cent) of its class come from the wealthiest 1 percent, along with a relatively high percentage (25 percent) coming from the least wealthy 60 percent. These percentages fluctuated slightly from year to year over the previous ten years, though there appeared to be a trend in the previous three years of an increase of the proportion coming from the lowest 60 (after that figure had previously declined slightly). By contrast the ivies all had considerably higher proportions (ranging from 15 to 20 percent) coming from the top 1 percent and lower percentages (15 to 20 percent) from the lowest 60. It would also be interesting to compare Chicago's stats with other private universities, including those not in any sense Chicago's peers academically. My random sampling suggested that almost all of them showed much higher percentages at the top 1 percent and much lower ones at the lower 60 percent. Even a public university like Michigan had approximately the same percentage as Chicago from the top 1 percent but a significantly lower percentage (17 percent) from the bottom 60.

    Have things turned around drastically in the years since 2011 and will they do so ever more in years to come? I hope that is not the case. The University has been on a long march for the past 20 years as described many times in this forum. That march has involved making the improvements that have led to a rise in the rankings. I am not crazy about all those improvements and, like you, I don't put much stock in the rankings. However, if any part of the plan was meant to "Princetonize" the student body we would surely have begun to see that effect prior to 2011. It bears watching in future.
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