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US News Rankings: UChicago Med School Dropping Like a Stone

Cue7Cue7 Registered User Posts: 2,416 Senior Member
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-medical-schools/research-rankings?int=8de407&int=b3b50a&int=b14409

Down from a high of #8 as recently as 2013.

This is unsurprising, as NIH funding continues to decline at Chicago, and its academic peer scores are quite low.

When will the descent stop?
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Replies to: US News Rankings: UChicago Med School Dropping Like a Stone

  • Cue7Cue7 Registered User Posts: 2,416 Senior Member
    edited March 19
    UChicago med is ranked #18.

    And this is disappointing, because the school does so well elsewhere - great performance in business (#1), law (#4), obviously college is #3, etc.
  • bigreddawgiebigreddawgie Registered User Posts: 2,161 Senior Member
    no doubt pritzker's rep has been dropping a bit, but these rankings are pretty ridiculous. nyu at 3 is insane and not even remotely close to reality.
  • FStratfordFStratford Registered User Posts: 411 Member
    There are too many grad schools and grad programs named Pritzker. That donor can not be relied on to rescue its namesake med school because it is spread way too thin among so many grad programs. Perhaps, UChicago should have gone for a donor who will be able to provide a follow up injection of support, if needed.

  • HydeSnarkHydeSnark Registered User Posts: 851 Member
    edited March 20
    Spread too thin among grad programs? I think Pritzker is a bit busy spending his money on something totally different rn (especially today)
  • PoplicolaPoplicola Registered User Posts: 179 Junior Member
    edited March 20
    Major changes to the ranking this year: inclusion of non-NIH research funding (e.g. private donations, grants from other federal bodies & state government) and increase in weight of research funding (from 30% to 40%).

    Pritzker has done very poorly on both fronts. Private donations, along with non-NIH funding sources at a federal or state level, propelled NYU to #3 from #11 (#32~34 just 5 years ago!!) and Mayo from around #22 to #6. I for one support this change in methodology, seeing how institutions are desperately trying to diversify/divert their funding sources away from NIH.

    Considering Pritzker's recent $100 million gift from the Duchossois family, I expect Pritzker's rank to either stabilize or rise a few spots in next year's ranking. I wouldn't be surprised if they continue to plummet in the ranking though, as they're really struggling when it comes to NIH funding (and altogether NIH funding - total NIH funding and per capita - is weighed 12x as much as private donation in the ranking so I'm afraid spike in private donation isn't sufficient to compensate for Pritzker's dwindling NIH funding).
  • ChrchillChrchill Registered User Posts: 1,024 Senior Member
    edited March 20
    Only two schools are top 3 in all 3 major professional schools (Law,. Business and Medicine) -- Harvard and Stanford.
    Only three schools are top 5 in at least 2 of the 3 major professional schools: Harvard, Stanford and UChicago

    Yale remains the leader in law but not even top ten in Business or Medicine .
    Columbia has only one top 5 -- fifth in law. Business and Medicine continue slipping.

    Even with the unacceptable 18 rank in Medicine, UChicago is still t third overall in key graduate schools. That is a major achievement in light of its relatively small endowment.
  • ChrchillChrchill Registered User Posts: 1,024 Senior Member
    Didn't the med school ranking go up from last year? Yale and Columbia each dropping in Bus and med.
  • JBStillFlyingJBStillFlying Registered User Posts: 5,049 Senior Member
    The city of Chicago doesn't have a "top-ranked" med school? That's actually hard to believe.

    UChicago was tied for 15th last year and NU 17th. Now both are 18th (tie) and 20th, respectively.

    NYU shot up from #12 (tie) last year to #3 now? Really?
  • JBStillFlyingJBStillFlying Registered User Posts: 5,049 Senior Member
    ^^ Oh, and Mayo was #20 last year and is now #6.

    These schools are all excellent. Where you see rapid moving around in the rankings is where the exact ordering starts to lose cred.
  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston Registered User Posts: 14,279 Senior Member
    There are four public medical schools ranked higher!!! :((
  • ChrchillChrchill Registered User Posts: 1,024 Senior Member
    NYYU has become a power house in medicine and they are very dominant in NY. Mayo deserves its spot. NO question.
  • PurpleTitanPurpleTitan Registered User Posts: 11,756 Senior Member
    Actually, 5 publics (6ish depending on how you categorize Baylor Med).

    But @TomSrOfBoston, why do you think that's noteworthy? Many publics are STEM powerhouses. There are 9 publics ranked above Princeton (and Penn and JHU) in grad engineering.

    Only someone from a part of the country that starves their public schools would think that says anything about the U of C.
  • TomSrOfBostonTomSrOfBoston Registered User Posts: 14,279 Senior Member
    edited March 20
    @PurpleTitan That was a sarcastic post due to the obsession with rankings shown here. In many circles rankings are seen as irrelevant and detrimental (except when one's own school drops in the rankings).
  • JHSJHS Registered User Posts: 17,992 Senior Member
    Honest question: What does it matter? How big is the difference between #1 and #10 in the medical school world, or between #10 and #20? These are all pretty terrific institutions, as far as I can tell, and my sense of medicine is that the world is a lot flatter than it is in law or business.

    Another honest question: How much does size matter? I note that Chicago, Mayo, and a medical school in Hawaii are the only schools with under 400 students in the top 50, and most of the top schools have twice the number of students Chicago has. If there's some relationship between the number of students and the number of faculty, does that mean Chicago isn't covering its bases effectively?
  • JBStillFlyingJBStillFlying Registered User Posts: 5,049 Senior Member
    edited March 20
    "Mayo deserves its spot. NO question."

    It does? Rochester is a delightful town but it's not exactly Philly, So. Cal. or New York. Or Chicago, for that matter. Mayo is a respectable research facility with some top talent, a very small medical college, and a sizable marketing budget.

    Rank them by MCAT scores and you'll get a better idea of appropriate placement. The quality of research among the medical faculty is going to be correlated with the desire to attract top, research-oriented students.
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