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UF = #1 Party School in the Nation!

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  • xNYerxNYer Registered User Posts: 454 Member
    USNWR SCORING CRITERIA Subsections UF
    Peer Assesment- 25% TOTAL 25%

    Graduation & Retention Rates
    a. 6 yr graduaton rate 16% / #11 ranking
    b. freshman retention rate 4% / tied #8

    Faculty Resources - 20% TOTAL
    a.Classes fewer than 20 6%
    b. Classes of more than 50 2%
    c. Faculty Salary 7%
    d. Professors with highest degree 3%
    e. Student Faculty ratio 1% / #17 ranking
    E. Percent of full time faculty 1%

    Sudent Selectivity -15% TOTAL
    a. SAT / ACT 8% / tied #10
    b.Top 10% students 6%
    c. Acceptance rate 2% / #8 ranking

    Financial Resources- 10% TOTAL
    a. Per student spending 10%

    Grad Rate Performance- 55 TOTAL
    a. Actual vs Predicted 5%

    Alumni Giving Rate- 5% TOTAL
    a. % of alumni who contributed 5%

    Grand Total Points 100%

    Worst so far is the faculty /student ratio. Again ,this is however only worth 1%.
  • xNYerxNYer Registered User Posts: 454 Member
    Data is from 2007 USNWR magazine. Need new #'s

    State Ranking / USNWR Ranking / School Name / Peer Assesment Score

    8 38t UWisconsin /4.2
    9 38t UC San Diego / 3.8
    10 38t Illinois / 4.0

    11 42t Washington / 3.9
    12 42t UC Davis / 3.7
    13 44t UT Austin / 4.1
    14 44t UC SBarbara /3.5
    15 44t UC Irvine / 3.6
    16 48 Penn State / 3.8
    17 49 UF / 3.6

    Rankings SORTED by PeerAssesment only:

    8 38t UWisconsin /4.2
    13 44t UT Austin / 4.1
    10 38t Illinois / 4.0
    11 42t Washington / 3.9
    9 38t UC San Diego / 3.8
    16 48 Penn State / 3.8
    12 42t UC Davis / 3.7
    17 49 UF / 3.6
    15 44t UC Irvine / 3.6
    14 44t UC SBarbara / 3.5

    PEER ASSESMENT CONCLUSION:
    UF IS TIED FOR #16 WITH UC IRVINE. ONLY UCSB IS RANKED LOWER AT #17 WITH A 3.5

    FACT: UC San Diego was ranked top 10 with a peer score of 3.8.
    For a category that is worth 25% of the total USNWR rankings UF has A LOT OF WORK TO DO HERE with only a 3.6.

    Hopefully it's true that this category is going away.
    I see no way of overcomming peer impressions of UF in a short period of time.

    Next: Alumni Giving worth 5% per USNWR
  • goufgatorsgoufgators Registered User Posts: 625 Member
    Well, I went to two bookstores to find the 2008 USNews College Rankings magazine and the only thing they had was the 2009 USNews Graduate School Rankings magazine and the 2008 USNews Complete College Guide book. The 2008 College Guide has a lot of the rankings and scores for each of the different assessments used in the College rankings but not all of them so it wasn't really useful. I think they ran out of the 2008 College Rankings magazine because it's already a year old and probably stopped carrying them because the new 2009 College Rankings are going to be out any week.
  • xNYerxNYer Registered User Posts: 454 Member
    Data is from 2007 USNWR magazine. Need new #'s

    State Ranking / USNWR Ranking / School Name / Alumni Giving Rate
    8 38t UWisconsin /14%
    9 38t UC San Diego / 10%
    10 38t Illinois / 12%

    11 42t Washington / 17%
    12 42t UC Davis / 11%
    13 44t UT Austin / 12%
    14 44t UC SBarbara /15%
    15 44t UC Irvine / 8%
    16 48 Penn State / 21%
    17 49 UF / 18%

    Rankings SORTED by Alumni Giving Rate only:
    16 48 Penn State / 21%
    17 49 UF / 18%
    11 42t Washington / 17%
    14 44t UC SBarbara / 15%
    8 38t UWisconsin /14%
    13 44t UT Austin / 12%
    10 38t Illinois / 12%
    12 42t UC Davis / 11%
    9 38t UC San Diego / 10%
    15 44t UC Irvine / 8%

    ALUMNI GIVING CONCLUSION:
    UF IS #9 ONLY BEHIND PSU WITH A RATE OF 21%

    FACT: UF ranked top 10 with a rate of 18% in this category.
    This category is worth 5% of the total USNWR rankings.
    UF needs to catch up to the 21% of PSU since they are ranked directly ahead of UF.

    NEXT: Faculty with terminal degrees worth 3% of total USNWR 100% points.
  • xNYerxNYer Registered User Posts: 454 Member
    Thanks for trying goufgators.
    I believe even with old data it will become clear the subsections UF needs to improve.
    I can update pretty easily once the new 2009 data arrives.
  • goufgatorsgoufgators Registered User Posts: 625 Member
    You're welcome xNYer. Thanks for digging the numbers out from the net. The new numbers should be coming out soon so it will be interesting to see how things shake up.
  • xNYerxNYer Registered User Posts: 454 Member
    Data is from 2006 Petersons Competiive Colleges book. Need new #'s

    State Ranking / USNWR Ranking / School Name /% Faculty with terminal degrees
    8 38t UWisconsin /100%
    9 38t UC San Diego / 98%
    10 38t Illinois / 86%

    11 42t Washington / 94%
    12 42t UC Davis / 98%
    13 44t UT Austin / na%
    14 44t UC SBarbara /na%
    15 44t UC Irvine / 98%
    16 48 Penn State / 77%
    17 49 UF / 92%

    Rankings SORTED by % faculty with terminal degrees only:
    8 38t UWisconsin /100%
    9 38t UC San Diego / 98%
    12 42t UC Davis / 98%

    15 44t UC Irvine / 98%
    42t Washington / 94%
    17 49 UF / 92%
    10 38t Illinois / 86%
    16 48 Penn State / 77%
    14 44t UC SBarbara / na%
    13 44t UT Austin / na%

    % FACULTY WITH TERMINAL DEGREES CONCLUSION:
    UF IS MAYBE #13 AHEAD OF FOR SURE ILLINOIS AND PENN STATE.

    FACT: This info was not listed for UTA or UCSB. Given however that every other UC school had the same 98% rate I suspect it is the same for UCSB. The larger state schools don’t seem to do well in this sub category so I will for now assume that UTA is lower than UF.
    That would more than likely put UF at # 14 in this subcategory.
    Note however that Illinois is a top 10 school while only having an 86% in this subcategory.
    This subcategory is worth 3% of the total USNWR rankings.


    NEXT: Top 10% students worth 6% of total USNWR 100% points.
  • MyOpinionMyOpinion Registered User Posts: 775 Member
    Well, the fact remains that even Machen feels that UF will likely drop in the rankings. Today, the Miami Herald wrote:

    UF is the only university in Florida ranked by U.S. News & World Report in the top 50 in the United States. This year, the school announced layoffs and program closures. Machen said UF could drop in the rankings if the state doesn't act, threatening to leave Florida the only big state without a single university in the top 50.

    ''We don't have enough money to remain a high-quality system for very long,'' Machen said.

    Enough said. Reality is harsh, but it better starts sinking in. Let's drop those delusions of grandeur at a time where they are not going to happen.
  • goufgatorsgoufgators Registered User Posts: 625 Member
    Well, the fact remains that even Machen feels that UF will likely drop in the rankings.

    ''We don't have enough money to remain a high-quality system for very long,'' Machen said.

    Machen is talking about the state university system. He made statements earlier saying that despite the cuts, UF can still be top 10 public. Enough said. The ranking drop speculation is based on continual budget cuts. Don't take the article out of context.
  • MyOpinionMyOpinion Registered User Posts: 775 Member
    Let me take the time, because i think you need it:

    Machen says: We don't have enough money to remain a high quality system for very long (while being asked specifically about UF, but anyway I will indulge you...)

    UF is part of the state university system (isn't it ?) Soooooo...BECAUSE the system does not have enough money to remain a high quality system for very long, THEN, UF will not have enough money to remain a high quality university for very long and THEREFORE will likely drop in the rankings.

    But don't worry that much. We are all sure the party rankings will remain on top, just like during the last 15 years.
  • vincanity1vincanity1 Registered User Posts: 898 Member
    "Let's drop those delusions of grandeur at a time where they are not going to happen."

    Drop the 'us' in that statement. I doubt anyone on this forum that has given a heartfelt and statistically supported opinion WITHOUT an agenda would resent being included with the likes of someone who stalks a college's forum looking for a place to be negative
  • xNYerxNYer Registered User Posts: 454 Member
    I found some data that shows how much each state is contributing towards higher education on a per student basis.
    I will try to post soon.
    Again that category "per student spending" is worth 10% in the USNWR rankings.
  • xNYerxNYer Registered User Posts: 454 Member
    I have resorted the fifteen (15) USNWR ranking criteria from the highest value subcategories (Peer review @ 25%) down to (% of full time faculty @ 1%)

    There seems to be a lot misinformation about how important certain subsections really are.

    USNWR SCORING CRITERIA Subsections
    1- Peer Assesment / 25%
    2- 6 yr graduaton rate / 16%
    3- Per student spending / 10%
    4- SAT / ACT scores / 8%
    5- Faculty Salary / 7%
    6- Classes fewer than 20 / 6%
    7-Top 10% students / 6%
    8- Actual vs Predicted graduation / 5%
    9- % of alumni who contributed / 5%
    10- freshman retention rate / 4%
    11- Professors with highest degree / 3%
    12- Classes of more than 50 / 2%
    13- Acceptance rate / 2%
    14- Student Faculty ratio / 1%
    15- Percent of full time faculty / 1%

    Grand Total Points 100%
  • parent2nolesparent2noles Registered User Posts: 7,961 Senior Member
    Peer assessment is 25%? A subjective evaluation is the largest single factor in the US News rating system?

    Holy smokes. No wonder people hate the ratings game.
  • goufgatorsgoufgators Registered User Posts: 625 Member
    [qoute]Peer assessment is 25%? A subjective evaluation is the largest single factor in the US News rating system?

    Holy smokes. No wonder people hate the ratings game.[/quote]

    parent2noles, from my understanding, US News has eliminated the peer assessment criteria from the ratings.
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