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Chance me for U of M

gb2468gb2468 0 replies1 postsRegistered User New Member
Hello, I'm trying to apply for U of M (EA) this year, and I was wondering what you guys thought of my chances. I am an out of state student (in Virginia), but Michigan is my number one school now, making me extra worried about my chances for admission. This isn't everything that I've done, but I think that this is the important stuff.
My possible path of study: preferably a dual degree program with Engineering or science/math in LSA and music performance.
GPA: 3.989 unweighted, 4.341 weighted.
ACT: 34 (35, 35, 33, 34), 10 Essay.
AP's: Comp Sci Principles (4, because I took the test as a freshman without taking the AP course), World History (5), Physics 1 (5), French (3), BC Calculus (5), and Comp Sci A (5).
Extracurriculars: I mainly do music and rowing out of school, both of which are rather time-consuming. As a musician, I play the bass and trombone in various ensembles, like youth/school orchestras and smaller chamber ensembles. I've gotten 1st chair bass All-State Orchestra in Michigan and have gotten 2nd chair bass for Virginia's All-State Orchestra. I did marching band on the trombone, winning marching band states twice, and I got 2nd chair trombone Michigan All-State Band as a freshman. In crew, I was on the team's top boat this year after being on one of the lowest the year before, winning crew states and ending up in the top 10 in the country. I also have an okay amount of service hours if that's a concern.
Other things that may help:
- I lived in Ann Arbor for 15 years before moving to Virginia, so I have a lot of exposure to the university and its programs. Unfortunately, since I moved, it's a lot harder for me to be accepted now.
- My mom went there, and my dad was a professor there.
- I did an internship in a Swiss data analytics company for a couple weeks last summer.
- I was the junior in my class to win the Rensselaer Medal for achievement in math and science.
I know that this is a lot, but any advice would be greatly appreciated!
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  • brantlybrantly 3868 replies67 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    First things first. Assuming you're auditioning for SMTD, nobody here can tell you what your chances are because we can't judge that aspect of your application.

    Second, You will have to decide whether to apply to School of Engineering for engineering or LSA for science or math. If you decide to apply to LSA, you won't be rejected based on your academic background. It will depend on your essays, recommendations, and how effective you are at convincing the admissions people that you will definitely enroll if accepted. The fact that you are a legacy, lived in A2, and your dad taught there will be helpful in getting that across.

    As for engineering, I can't be helpful with that because it will depend on your demonstrated interest in engineering. I don't see any ECs that point in that direction.
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  • sushirittosushiritto 3663 replies9 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    For the Class of 2023, the average UWGPA was 3.9 and the 25/75 on the ACT was 32-35. You’re a competitive applicant to both LSA and CoE.

    The CoE enrolled 1,363 freshman in the Class of 2022. LSA enrolled 4,163 students. So, besides everything else, your chances will also depend on your choice of school. Obviously, engineering stats tend to skew higher than LSA.

    Legacy is considered, but not important according the CDS. There were several examples here on CC from the Class of 2023 where legacies were deferred and then later rejected with high stats.
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  • brantlybrantly 3868 replies67 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Although legacy by itself is not a factor, it is a data point in the algorithm determining whether you will enroll if admitted.
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  • sushirittosushiritto 3663 replies9 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited July 17
    I don’t disagree with you, but I just wanted to convey to the OP that I saw and heard (privately as well) from quite a few “ticked off” alums, whose kids were deferred, waitlisted and ultimately rejected.

    I think the OP’s uwGPA and course rigor are far and away the most important factors for a positive admissions decision.
    edited July 17
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  • KnowsstuffKnowsstuff 3675 replies16 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    I haven't seen the new engineering student profile yet but if it stays the same then admittance to Lsa and engineering are basically the same with engineering being slightly higher in Act but not by much. 3.9 with 33/34 Act puts you right there. So it will come down to demonstrated interest and essays. Also if the OP is interested in Crew for Michigan I think they have a good team.
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  • TooOld4SchoolTooOld4School 3326 replies12 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    I would have your rowing coach contact Michigan's rowing coach. You might be able secure a preferred walk-on. A top 10 national level rower would definitely make you desirable and you are clearly academically qualified. That way you would bypass the competitive admission process (although you still have to complete the paperwork)
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  • supernovacoachsupernovacoach 103 replies2 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    If your essay is bomb you will get in. Have you started planning it out yet?
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  • KnowsstuffKnowsstuff 3675 replies16 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    @supernovacoach it seems on multiple threads your advise is the same. But OOS for Michigan is a very hard get the last 3-4 years even for someone this accomplished. If he has an advantage it seems to be with rowing.
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  • supernovacoachsupernovacoach 103 replies2 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    Look at the kids GPA and Test scores. I see kids in California get in all the time to Michigan with similar stats. The only ones that get rejected are the ones that write horrible essays. Time and time again. parents are students fail to recognize the importance of standing out in the essay.
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  • sushirittosushiritto 3663 replies9 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    I agree with @Knowsstuff

    The OP's essay could be written by F. Scott Fitzgerald, if he were alive, and the OP may still not get into UMich or any of the other chance me threads that you've commented on here this AM.
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  • KnowsstuffKnowsstuff 3675 replies16 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    The only ones that get rejected are the ones that write horrible essays
    Based on what fact not just speculation? Yes the essays are important and especially at Michigan. But based on the last 3 years rejections I don't think what you are saying is factual and can be misleading to applicants. Lots of similar students were rejected this year alone. Lots from California
    But I do know someone that knows the UCs well. @sushiritto so if you write an awesome essay and have the stats are you accepted to Michigan? 🤔.
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  • KnowsstuffKnowsstuff 3675 replies16 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Sorry, I seem late to the party.. Lol.
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  • sushirittosushiritto 3663 replies9 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    No one knows why 81% of the OOS students, for the Class of 2022, were rejected by UMich. Maybe essays. Maybe LOR's. Maybe lack of EC's or volunteer work. Maybe geography. Maybe no demonstrated interest. No one knows.

    Here's what we do know. UMich, according to their CDS lists two charcteristics as "VERY important." One, GPA. Two, HS course rigor. Test scores, LOR's and essays are considered "important."

    I'd add one more from my personal standpoint and that is yield % from your HS. Our local CA HS here in lovely Silicon Valley, appears to be somewhat of a feeder to UMich, if there is such a thing for OOS students. Roughly two-thirds of the applicants were rejected in my kid's class (Class of 2022). And one-third being accepted is actually REALLY good.

    In all honesty, I don't think it was my kid's essays, but what do I know. :wink:
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  • supernovacoachsupernovacoach 103 replies2 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    Well if everyone's stats are the same, then what is the differentiating factor?
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  • KnowsstuffKnowsstuff 3675 replies16 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Well that is the Million dollar question. Wish it was that easy. I personally do think the essay is really important but just one factor in the decision making for the AO. Some states like Illinois have a larger population of students going to Michigan and applying. I personally think writing a Letter of intent not a Loci prior to the EA selection is helpful. Going to the Michigan talks when they come to your region /school and letting the AO know you were there. Ask a pertinent question also. . Visiting helps. My son met with two professors when visiting and used that in the essay. Researching the school and using it in the essay.
    Plus just having certain intangible qualities that they are looking for that year when they "build" their class.
    Also some plain old luck doesn't hurt. 🍀😉.
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  • supernovacoachsupernovacoach 103 replies2 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    "Researching the school and using it in the essay"
    So basically if the kid has a 4.6, 36 ACT and writes that they want to be a part of a mediocre football program with excellent academics on their common app, then they are good.
    Also writing a few Go Blue's and giving a Gerald Ford and "Michigan Man" reference or two in the supplementals wouldn't hurt either.
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  • brantlybrantly 3868 replies67 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited July 22
    Well if everyone's stats are the same, then what is the differentiating factor?
    First, not everyone's stats are the same. Among applicants who do have similar stats, the differentiating factors IN MY OPINION are

    1) likelihood of enrolling
    (based on big-data algorithms that can include legacy status, sibling attending, other connections to U-M or Ann Arbor, history of yield from applicant's HS, demonstrated interest through visits/ other outreach to U-M, and grades/scores in the sweet spot that makes the candidate strong enough for U-M but an unlikely prospect for HYPSM.

    2) non-eliminative recommendations and essays --meaning that they don't necessarily have to make the applicant stand out from the crowd, but they have to be "good enough" and cannot include any info that would eliminate the candidate.
    edited July 22
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  • supernovacoachsupernovacoach 103 replies2 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    Well okay, let's throw everyone that doesn't have the prime stats in the rejection pile first.
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  • momofsenior1momofsenior1 6606 replies39 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Then there are the other balancing factors - geographic, gender, and socio-economic diversity; projected majors; special ECs, etc....
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  • sushirittosushiritto 3663 replies9 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Well if everyone's stats are the same, then what is the differentiating factor?

    Who's everyone? The entire UMich Class of 2023 that posted here on CC or are you referring to my kid's class, the Class of 2022?

    I'm not an AdCom and no one here sees the applications. What we can see is that the CDS lists 15 areas of interest to AdComs. So, an admissions decision is based on those 15 factors (or lack thereof). As I mentioned above, I don't think essays did the trick in my kid's case. I think high stats and our HS yield were the top factors. Lots of disaffected California parents around these parts.
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