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Ratings according to the latest Peer Assessment Score (out of 5.0)

AlexandreAlexandre 24275 replies433 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
Somehow, looking at the Peer Assessment Score always seems to make more sense than the highly suspicious overall US News ranking. Perhaps because individual universities cannot arbitrarily manipulate their own data, or maybe because the overall methodology just does not make sense.

Below are the top 50 universities in the US according to Peer Assessment Ratings

1. Harvard University 4.9
1. Massachusetts Institute of Technology 4.9
1. Princeton University 4.9
1. Stanford University 4.9
5. Yale University 4.8
6. California Institute of Technology 4.7
6. Columbia University 4.7
6. Johns Hopkins University 4.7
6. University of California-Berkeley 4.7
10. Cornell University 4.6
10. University of Chicago 4.6
10. University of Pennsylvania 4.6
13. Brown University 4.5
13. Duke University 4.5
13. Northwestern University 4.5
13. University of Michigan-Ann Arbor 4.5
17. Dartmouth College 4.4
18. Carnegie Mellon University 4.3
18. Georgia Institute of Technology 4.3
18. University of California-Los Angeles 4.3
18. Vanderbilt University 4.3
22. Georgetown University 4.2
22. Rice University 4.2
22. University of Notre Dame 4.2 (this is significantly higher than its historic score of 3.9)
22. University of Virginia 4.2
26. Emory University 4.1
26. University of North Carolina-Chapel Hill 4.1
26. University of Texas-Austin 4.1
26. University of Wisconsin-Madison
26. Washington University-St Louis 4.1
31. New York University 4.0
32. University of California-Davis 3.9
33. University of California-San Diego 3.9
33. University of Illinois-Urbana Champaign 3.9
33. University of Southern California 3.9
33. University of Washington 3.9
3.7 College of William and Mary 3.8
37. Ohio State University 3.8
37. Purdue University-West Lafayette 3.8
37. Tufts University 3.8
37. University of California-Irvine 3.8
37. University of Florida 3.8
43. Boston College 3.7
43. Boston University 3.7
43. Case Western Reserve University 3.7
43. Indiana University-Bloomington 3.7
43. Pennsylvania State University-University Park 3.7
43. Texas A&M University-College Station 3.7
43. University of Maryland-College Park 3.7
43. University of Minnesota-Twin Cities 3.7

Michigan's peers, according to academe anyway, are all the universities with PA ratings between 4.2 and 4.7.
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  • PublisherPublisher 7977 replies82 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Peer Assessment Scores are helpful, but some universities appear to be rated by the reputation of their graduate programs rather than by their undergraduate schools.
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  • sushirittosushiritto 4000 replies12 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    At least Stanford is (tied for) #1, which IMO is correct. No, not an alum, nor do I have a kid there.
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  • rjkofnovirjkofnovi 10440 replies109 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    “Peer Assessment Scores are helpful, but some universities appear to be rated by the reputation of their graduate programs rather than by their undergraduate schools.”

    .....even though the rating is based on undergraduate reputation.
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  • PublisherPublisher 7977 replies82 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited September 17
    @rjkofnovi: Yes. That was the point of my post = Even though the rating should be based on undergraduate reputation.
    edited September 17
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  • PublisherPublisher 7977 replies82 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    An interesting view of the Peer Assessment Score ratings & rankings is to examine which schools have a score higher than the lowest rated Ivy League school (#17 Dartmouth College at 4.4). This may help others not familiar with US colleges & universities to understand that there are schools with equal or higher "prestige" than the 8 Ivies in the US.

    MIT, Stanford, CalTech, Johns Hopkins, UCal-Berkeley, the University of Chicago, Northwestern University, Duke & the University of Michigan all have higher Peer Assessment Scores than the lowest rated Ivy League school.

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  • Mwfan1921Mwfan1921 2243 replies30 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited September 17
    Agree with publisher's comments.

    This year saw a 43% response rate of the 4,815 academics (presidents, deans, directors of admission) who received the questionnaire. Good, but not great.

    Further, many people who receive these questionnaires openly admit they give them to a staffer to fill out, that's if they are in the the 43% responders who don't just put the questionnaire in the trash.

    It seems obvious that an admissions counselor, or asst dean, etc. would rank schools based on perceptions that go beyond undergraduate education and detailed knowledge of a school's programs, offerings and services. I would go so far as to say that many staffers at many colleges have little knowledge of other colleges at all. Why put weight into how an admissions officer from any school, be it Colorado State or Western Illinois or Harvard, ranks other schools?

    This year saw some changes in the methodology as well, with the removal of the high school counselor questionnaire and assessment from the National rankings.
    All in all.....Garbage in, garbage out.
    edited September 17
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  • PublisherPublisher 7977 replies82 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Breaking down the Peer Assessment Score rankings of the 50 highest rated schools into 10 groups of schools may be interesting:

    Harvard
    Princeton
    Yale
    MIT
    Stanford

    CalTech
    Columbia
    Johns Hopkins
    UCal-Berkeley

    Cornell
    Chicago
    UPenn

    Brown
    Duke
    Northwestern
    Michigan
    Dartmouth College

    Carnegie Mellon
    Georgia Tech
    UCLA
    Vanderbilt

    Georgetown
    Rice
    Notre Dame
    Virginia

    Emory
    UNC
    Texas
    WashUStL
    Wisconsin
    NYU

    UC-Davis
    UC-San Diego
    Illinois
    USC
    Univ. of Washington

    William & Mary
    Purdue
    Tufts
    Ohio State
    UC-Irvine
    Univ. of Florida

    Boston College
    Boston University
    Indiana
    UC-Irvine
    Penn State
    Case Western Reserve
    Texas A&M
    Maryland
    Minnesota


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  • sushirittosushiritto 4000 replies12 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Further, many people who receive these questionnaires openly admit they give them to a staffer to fill out, that's if they are in the the 43% responders who don't just put the questionnaire in the trash.

    So, you're saying "staff" are unqualified to do these peer assessments? Anyone below a certain executive level (presidents, deans, directors of admission) doesn't have the knowledge and experience to fill out a questionnaire? I've handed off and also been given surveys to be filled out for the industry that I work in and I think I'm qualified, as the person that is/was on my staff qualified. I wouldn't assume that there's only 3 people at a university who can properly fill out a peer assessment survey.

    And the proof is in the pudding. Look at the schools that are on the list and the order kinda mirror the overall USNWR rankings.
    Why put weight into how an admissions officer from any school, be it Colorado State or Western Illinois or Harvard, ranks other schools?

    Kinda like a coach's poll (or his/her staff, but not the ball boy/girl), they can vote for the best school/team other than their own. Absolutely nothing wrong with it and often times the assistant coaches know more than than the head coach. Here is the coaches poll for college football:

    https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/rankings/coaches/
    This year saw a 43% response rate of the 4,815 academics (presidents, deans, directors of admission) who received the questionnaire. Good, but not great.

    Polling/voting can always be better, but in our 2018 Midterm election(s) in 2018, 47% of the registered voters went to the polls and voted. So, we can elect our representatives with less than half the registered voters:

    https://www.npr.org/2018/11/08/665197690/a-boatload-of-ballots-midterm-voter-turnout-hit-50-year-high
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  • dropbox77177dropbox77177 266 replies0 threadsRegistered User Junior Member
    That list looks pretty reasonable to me. I'd put Rice and Vanderbilt above Dartmouth, but that's just quibbling.
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  • AlexandreAlexandre 24275 replies433 threadsRegistered User Senior Member
    Mwfan1921, to each his own. When I look at the PA, the groupings of institutions makes sense. But that's just me.

    Publisher, your groupings in post #7 seem fairly consistent, with virtually no outliers.
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  • MaineLonghornMaineLonghorn 38430 replies2104 threadsSuper Moderator Super Moderator
    My dad, a professor at Texas for many years, felt that the peer assessment was more accurate than other rankings.
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