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Penn '14 - how will the cookie crumble

srrinathsrrinath Registered User Posts: 2,363 Senior Member
edited September 2009 in University of Pennsylvania
General Things
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: East Indian (international)
Country: India (but living in Singapore for 16 years)
Current Grade: Senior Year (in singapore, schools run from Jan-Dec)
Financial Aid: Not applying for any sort of FA

Grades
GPA: 3.1 (Sharp rising trend)
-Very tough international magnet school specializing in Math & Science

SAT Reasoning Test
SAT Critical Reading - 770
SAT Math - 800
SAT Writing – 800
SAT Composite (M+CR) – 1570
SAT Composite (M+CR+W) – 2370

SAT Subject Tests
SAT Math Level 2 - 800
SAT Physics - 790
SAT Chemistry – 780
SAT Biology M - 770

AP Tests
AP Calculus AB – 5
AP Chemistry – 5
AP Physics B – 5
AP Biology – 5
AP Calculus BC – 5
AP Statistics – 5

Extracurricular Activities
- Captain: Debate Team
- President: Creative Writing Circle
- Editor: School Yearbook
- Editor: School Newsletter (we don't publish too actively tho)
- Editor: Official Newsletter of Singapore Int'l Mathematics Competition
- Captain: Scrabble Team (placed 3rd nationally in 2007, several individual awards at national level too)
- Head Delegate: Model UN
- Tennis Team
- National Education Ambassador
- 300ish Community Service Hours
- Creative Arts Program (very selective program for writers and poets)
- Research on atomic spectroscopy
- Research on oxygen's behavior on palladium and applications in fuel cells
- Interned at a renowned museum of biodiversity research
- 2 Commendatory Awards @ Commonwealth Int'l Essay Writing Competition
- Gold (Drama) @ Singapore Youth Festival
- Best Delegate @ Singapore Model United Nations 2009
- Best Delegate @ WE International Model United Nations 2009
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Replies to: Penn '14 - how will the cookie crumble

  • Set PointSet Point Registered User Posts: 113 Junior Member
    the cookie ain't crumblin
  • nate24nate24 Registered User Posts: 38 Junior Member
    IMO, about a 50% chance if you can explain how you have such bad grades and such high testing scores... a 3.1 aint too bad, but with a 2370 and all 5s on aps?
  • wtanwtan Registered User Posts: 158 Junior Member
    what's your class rank?
  • srrinathsrrinath Registered User Posts: 2,363 Senior Member
    I'm not among the top students in my class. But my class is among the top students in my country (top 5%). Admissions rate wise, my HS is more selective than the ivies and that puts together an academic environment where it's just really hard to be near the top.
  • IRJunkieIRJunkie Registered User Posts: 422 Member
    Are your classmates applying to Penn?
  • srrinathsrrinath Registered User Posts: 2,363 Senior Member
    Some of them are. Not a huge number, and almost no one else to Arts & Sciences. Most of them are trying engineering.
  • IRJunkieIRJunkie Registered User Posts: 422 Member
    Are they ranked higher than you? Do they have comparable scores? If so, I'm sorry to say that you're in trouble.
  • srrinathsrrinath Registered User Posts: 2,363 Senior Member
    I don't even know of anyone else applying to Arts & Sciences.

    Aren't the admissions pools for Penn Engineering applicants different from the Penn CAS one?
  • wayward_trojanwayward_trojan Registered User Posts: 1,301 Senior Member
    The pools are different, but I'm afraid I agree with nate24: Your scores tell me you're brilliant and your grades tell me you're lazy (regardless of whether or not it's true). Such a vast disjunction will not bode well for you, which is unfortunate because you would be an asset at any Ivy.
  • muerteapablomuerteapablo - Posts: 1,412 Senior Member
    Brilliant? I wouldn't go that far. The SAT can't seek out brilliance. I had similar scores.

    However, I do agree with the others; SATs can only take you so far. At schools that rank, 99% of people that Penn accepts are in the top 10% of their class. Now, perhaps you would fall into that remaining 1%... I can't say.

    The truth is, I'm sure you're very bright, and deserve to come here (or any university). But the GPA will hurt your chances, if only slightly. If you apply early, however, you would have a good shot - I suggest that you do, if Penn is a top choice for you.

    Where else are you looking? Do you have any other ED preferences? I recall seeing a similar thread on the Columbia forum - are you looking to apply there for ED?
  • nirvanatearnirvanatear Registered User Posts: 264 Junior Member
    I don't think anyone here understands the OP's school curriculum. I have a friend who goes to a very competitive science/math magnet school in Singapore. By "competitive", I'm talking about average SAT above 2300. There's no slacker in his school. Judging from the OP's EC, I think he is a very self-motivated student who will succeed in any Ivy's (as anyone from the school will)

    You're certainly hurt by a competitive applicant pool. Penn is a match for you.
  • srrinathsrrinath Registered User Posts: 2,363 Senior Member
    I have a friend who goes to a very competitive science/math magnet school in Singapore. By "competitive", I'm talking about average SAT above 2300.

    1) There's no school in Singapore, and I think the world, where the avg SAT is 2300+.

    2) My school is the only magnet sci/math school and while we are indeed "very competitive", our averages on the SAT don't reflect that (simply bcs the SAT isn't a math/sci test). Perhaps your meant 2300+ on a combination of 3 subject tests. In that case, then that's probably true. But as far as stats for the regular SAT goes, I'm the only person in my class above a 2300.

    Anyway, I agree that I'm not brilliant, maybe not even bright for that matter. But I'm not lazy. A rising trend building up from really dismal freshman grades to very high senior grades should show that.
  • muerteapablomuerteapablo - Posts: 1,412 Senior Member
    The rising trend will certainly help - and again, I think you have a pretty good chance if you apply ED.

    Where are you thinking of applying ED? I really think that you should make it Penn.
  • dunbardunbar Registered User Posts: 1,376 Senior Member
    You look really good besides your GPA. Are you in the top decile?
  • srrinathsrrinath Registered User Posts: 2,363 Senior Member
    I can't apply to Penn ED because I'm applying to Columbia early.
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