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Some notes on the "best" schools for fine art


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  • loveblueloveblue 425 replies12 threads Member
    momrath:Thanks for your reply. You are right that I should start a the thread.
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  • TarantTarant 3 replies3 threads New Member
    Curious... what European schools outside Britain seem to be real players?
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  • kaelynkaelyn 140 replies6 threads Junior Member
    It's hard to say. The fanfare and celebrity attached to schools seems to be a phenomenon particular to the US and UK. Nonetheless there are a few European schools that seemed more popular than others in my CV scanning.

    The Royal Danish Academy of Fine Arts (Denmark)

    The Gerrit Rietveld Academie (Holland)

    The Hochschule Fur Bildende Kunst Hamburg (Germany)

    The Hochschule Fur Bildende Kunst Staedelschule (Germany)

    The Kunstacademie Dusseldorf (Germany)
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  • kaelynkaelyn 140 replies6 threads Junior Member
    So I began compiling that statistical data that I mentioned earlier and there are so many ways to look at things. What I decided to do for now is simply compile a list of early and mid career contemporary artists (with a few older heads thrown in) who have garnered some degree of popularity. I will preface this list by saying that I myself am not yet in art school nor am I some kind of art guru and as such can not make any claim of this list being exhaustive or even that well informed. My findings for undergrad schools are far from conclusive and should not serve as a definitive guide to choosing undergrad schools anyway. As is true of many fields, potential career success is more easily correlated with graduate programs than undergrad programs. The list is completely up for discussion and additions/subtractions. All it can possibly demonstrate is which schools are more popular than others. I’m aware that this list contradicts my earlier proclamations though, in my defence, I will say that the previous list was based on the general constitution of high profile galleries like peres projects, blum and poe, gladstone gallery, deitch etc. I might provide some evidence for this at another moment of industriousness.

    Huma Bhabba
    Whitney Bedford
    Joe Bradley
    Roni Horn
    Dan Colen
    Ryan Trecartin

    Verne Dawson
    Wangechi Mutu
    Francesca diMattio
    Matthew Monnahan
    Zak Smith

    Aaron Young
    Catherine Opie
    Paul McCarthy
    Kehinde Wiley

    Kristin Baker
    Jedediah Caesar
    Philip Lorca diCorcia

    Elizabeth Peyton
    Collier Schorr
    Barnaby Furnas
    David LaChapelle
    Andrea Fraser

    Whitney Bedford
    Jeff Coons

    Josh Brand
    Sterling Ruby

    Walead Beshty
    RH Quaytman

    Rachel Harrison
    Glenn Ligon

    Mark Bradford
    Eric Fischl

    Carnegie Mellon
    John Currin
    Ryan McGuinness

    Gedi Sibony
    Elizabeth Neel

    Art Center
    Doug Aitken

    Jason Rhoades
    Jules deBalincourt

    Mickalene Thomas

    My conclusion: Go wherever is best for you...
    unless it's pratt. don't go to pratt.

    Coming soon: the grad list
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  • artmommy77artmommy77 277 replies18 threads Senior Member
    RISD - Shepard Fairy (Now showing at Boston and Ciny)
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  • drae27drae27 539 replies13 threads Member
    SVA - Brian Donnelly (KAWS)

    Purchase - John Kessler

    Pratt - Terry Winters

    Cooper Union - Philip Taaffe

    This could be fun.....keep em coming
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  • drae27drae27 539 replies13 threads Member

    You kind of got me going. I looked up a few more contemporary artists and what I found is that if you really look, there are many paths to an art career. Some, like Rirkrit Tiravanija and Chris Johanson don't even have a formal degree. Terence Koh went to Emily Carr in Vancouver, Nari Ward to CUNY Hunter. For the ones who have followed a more traditional educational path you will often see that they pursued an MFA.

    Here's a few more for fun just to show the wide variety of backgrounds:

    San Diego State U. - Andrea Zittell
    Temple U. - Karen Kilimnik
    Cal Arts - Anne Collier
    University of British Columbia, Vancouver - Jessica Stockholder
    CCA - Chris Duncan
    Scripps - Pae White
    Cal State Fullerton - Fred Tomaselli
    Oberlin - Ellen Gallagher

    Don't know why my list has so many women. It's just who came to mind when I started looking.

    For all of you hopeful artists out there don't forget about the Whitney Studio Program which you can do after you get your degree/s:
    Whitney Museum of American Art: Independent Study Program
    (some have even attended with out a degree)
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  • WheatyWheaty 485 replies35 threads Member
    How about:

    James Welling - CalArts
    Sharon Lockhart - SFAI
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  • mino74urmino74ur 33 replies5 threads Junior Member
    Here is a wild card to bring this forum back to life.....

    Ohio University:
    Jenny Holzer
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  • catmom2catmom2 20 replies1 threads New Member
    So, now i"m even more dizzy. Thank you Kaelyn, for this thread. What do tyou know about Temple/Tyler and WUSTL? You can respond on my thread, "Where else should we look?"
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  • studiomomstudiomom 140 replies61 threads Junior Member
    K, Can't wait to see your grad list! Please post.
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  • brandnewstatebrandnewstate 297 replies54 threads Member
    I also want to see the grad list!
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  • catmom2catmom2 20 replies1 threads New Member

    Can you say a bit more about the art schools in London, UK, and why they might be better than the US? We have connections in London, hence my question.

    Also want to report that dear daughter so far likes Tyler, WUSTL, CMU, and MICA best. Eight visits down, three to four to go. Next up: Yale, Cooper, RISD... any LAC's to recommend? Anyone?
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  • kaelynkaelyn 140 replies6 threads Junior Member
    I think most people living in art land would probably tell you that the best places to study fine art in the uk would be

    The Slade Scool of Art, UCL
    Chelsea College of Art, UAL
    Central St Martin's, UAL
    Goldsmiths, UoL
    (all in london)

    Glasgow School of Art
    (is in glasgow not london)

    The Royal Academy
    The Royal College of Art
    (both in london but only offer post graduate programs)

    If you ever decided to look up the CV's of recent turner prize nominees
    you'd find that a lot of them went to one of the above. There's no way to
    say whether british art schools, in general, are superior or inferior to American
    art schools. They are generally a little different though.

    Most british undergrad courses in fine art last about 3 years but students are usually required to do a separate and independent foundation degree beforehand which takes about one year. In total it end up being the same four years. They tend not to push the broad liberal education that american art schools claim to, i.e. the majority of your taught courses will be in art history/theory. Also the structure of the programs are generally looser, no credit distribution requirements etc and they encourage students to work independently much earlier on than their us counterparts. Graduate programs are usually one or two years with the exception of the royal academy which has a 3 year program.

    I cant say more than that in general

    The slade is extremely selective. They take about 4% of applicants a year and they have a larger academic component in their curricula than most british art schools. They offer two programs in fine art: a bfa in fine which is more practice oriented and last three years and the BA in fine art and art history/theory which is four years and is fairly similar to the BFA program but has a larger academic component slapped on to it. The slade surprisingly is less hardline conceptual than some of the other london art schools and is one of the few places in london still considered a "painting school".

    I'm not really sure if there is a big difference between Chelsea and St Martins. They are both part of University of The Arts London (UAL). Chelsea's fine art program is more highly regarded the CSM's, especially at the graduate level but i don't know if there is any huge difference between their teaching styles academic environments etc. CSM however, is largely known for being a design school and it somehow happened that they got a good fine art department whereas chelsea is a fine art school that happens to have other departments.

    Goldsmiths is notoriously hardline on it's conceptual approach to teaching/art making even at the undergrad level. They produced a slew of famous british artists in the early nineties including damien hirst, sarah lucas, gary hume etc. I think they also have a larger academic component to their program than say chelsea or csm but i wouldn't quote me on it.

    I dont know much about Glasgow School of Art other than it's supposed to be quite nice. They also have separate programs based around various media i.e you do your degree in painting, sculpture, photography etc which probably says a lot when compared to schools like csm, chelsea, goldsmiths etc just offer a program in fine art.

    The RA and the RCA only offer postgrad programs. The RA is free if you get in and therefore impossibly selective and the RCA is the only grad program in London i think that organizes their courses with respect to media. The RCA is also definitely not as theoretically oriented as other grad programs like those at chelsea or goldsmiths.

    that's all i know for now
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  • kaelynkaelyn 140 replies6 threads Junior Member
    Oh your daughter should definitely check out bard as an lac for art.
    Possibly Wesleyan and Brown as well.
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  • catmom2catmom2 20 replies1 threads New Member
    thanks very much, Kaelyn. Much appreciated!
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  • bears and dogsbears and dogs 3050 replies26 threads- Senior Member
    8 year old art star in England. Does it anyway reflect how they do art there: value, style, education or selling?
    because somehow I think it will become this, if it were here in US
    or this, if the kid was born in Eastern Europe and sounds euro-y
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  • bears and dogsbears and dogs 3050 replies26 threads- Senior Member
  • kaelynkaelyn 140 replies6 threads Junior Member
    80 years ago or so, that kid would have been a genius....

    Anyone interested in getting a "feel" for British art would do well to look at the turner prize nominees and recipients. It might be especially illuminating if you compare their work to that presented in the various whitney biennials. Though, as is usual with every art capital, more conceptually oriented work rules the roost. For anyone currently in London, I would strongly recommend Wolfgang Tillmans at the serpentine as well as Francis Alÿs at the tate modern. Joana Vasconcellos at Haunch of Venison was also a fairly fun show to see if you're around though it's not what you might consider heavy.
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  • bears and dogsbears and dogs 3050 replies26 threads- Senior Member
    The irony is that, the prize is named after Turner, no?
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