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Does WashU deserve its ranking?

sunny903sunny903 Registered User Posts: 147 Junior Member
So I've been reading many threads about how WashU has climbed its way up the rankings by decreasing its acceptance rate and raising its yield rate. I'm wondering how you all feel about WashU and if it is really on par with schools like Cornell, etc...
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Replies to: Does WashU deserve its ranking?

  • MattEisnMattEisn Registered User Posts: 408 Member
    I think it is with cornell but not other Ivies. I think that what they are doing with the massive waitlists and guessing which students will be more likely to go somewhere else is really going to hurt them severly in the long run.
  • jazzymomjazzymom Registered User Posts: 3,676 Senior Member
    This is an easy question. Under the ranking methodology devised by USNWR, WashU most definitely deserves the ranking it has. (Unless, someone wants to argue that it should be higher.) Yield is not a determinant in the rankings anymore and the acceptance rate is a minor piece of the puzzle.

    Sorry to be repetitious, but the ranking components are these:

    1. Peer Assessment: 25 percent. (College administrators ranking each other)

    2. Retention: 20 percent (Students return after freshman year)

    3. Faculty Resources: 20 percent (this is faculty-student ratio, class sizes)

    4. Student Selectivity: 15 percent.

    Within this category, 50 percent of the score comes from the range of SAT/ACT scores of admitted students; the next (40 percent) is the percentage of admitted students who were in the top 10 percent of their class, the smallest, 10 percent, is from the admission rate, or how many were admitted out of the number of applicants.

    5. Financial Resources: 10 percent. (Not just endowment, but per-student spending to benefit the education)

    6. Graduation rate: 5 percent

    7. Alumni giving rate: 5 percent.

    I always think it's unfair when people attack Washu's ranking based on admission rate and yield when this part of the formula accounts for 10 percent of a component that contributes 15 percent to the overall ranking. Washu has earned its ranking under the methodology devised by USNWR. It couldn't have "spammed" its way to a higher admission rate, or "played games" with its yield, and had any appreciable impact on rankings if all the other components of excellence were not in place. If someone wants to rant about those rankings, take it up with the people that devised the methodology.

    Is it "on par" with Cornell? I suppose that the long answer would depend on what you're comparing: specific schools or departments, special programs, integrated majors, ease of double majoring, quality of life, friendliness of the campus, etc. IMO, the short answer would be: yes.
  • Shobhit2006Shobhit2006 Registered User Posts: 611 Member
    washu doesn't deserve its rankings, it should be at least top 10
  • wonder123wonder123 Registered User Posts: 62 Junior Member
    Is Wash U better than Rice? Please explaine why or who not.
  • jimbob1225jimbob1225 Registered User Posts: 3,457 Senior Member
    ^For who and what?
  • mass1mass1 Registered User Posts: 9 New Member
    1) The real question is whether this ranking even matters. The bottomline is that WashU gets 20,000 applications; it's clearly doing something right.

    2) On a more relevant note, the real components of a ranking SHOULD BE what happens when a student gets to the school: academic opportunities, internships in the surrounding community, campus atmosphere, even food. WashU students will tell you that their school excels in all these areas.

    Sounds like an easy case to me.
  • warblersrulewarblersrule Super Moderator Posts: 9,432 Super Moderator
    1991: #24
    1992: #18
    1993: #20
    1994: #18
    1995: #20
    1996: #20
    1997: #17
    1998: #17
    1999: #16
    2000: #17
    2001: #15
    2002: #14
    2003: #12
    2004: #9
    2005: #11
    2006: #11
    2007: #12

    After Penn, WUStL is one of the more remarkable USNWR climbers.
    sunny903 wrote:
    if it is really on par with schools like Cornell
    It depends. Cornell definitely has the advantage in food; WUStL has an advantage in academic flexibility. I prefer Cornell's campus, but others consider it too isolated. Cornell uses its endowment to make itself need-blind; WUStL uses its endowment for merit scholarships. I won't comment on WUStL's academics, but I will say that it matches Cornell in certain fields at the undergraduate level (i.e. business).
    it should be at least top 10
    Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Stanford, Caltech, Columbia, Chicago, Penn, and Dartmouth make up my top ten. Out of curiosity, which of these do you think WUStL deserves to replace? ;)
  • afruff23afruff23 Registered User Posts: 1,966 Senior Member
    I would replace Dartmouth and Chicago.
  • elepheleph Registered User Posts: 235 Junior Member
    Okay, so obviously this doesn't really mean anything at all, but (as I think I mentioned somewhere else on this thread a while ago),
    Bill Nye said that Cornell was like WashU......only times .77
    : )
    Really, I don't put much standard in the rankings. Sure, it "feels good" to go to a school that's up there in the rankings, but in the end of the day, what does it really matter?

    And hmm, maybe could it just be the top eleven? : )
  • waternamwaternam Registered User Posts: 130 Junior Member
    The real Bill Nye the science guy who actually did graduate from Cornell??
    I love that guy's song, "Bill Nye the Science Guy!!!"
  • kjanebarnumkjanebarnum Registered User Posts: 394 Member
    His Assembly Series presentation rocked!
  • CC123CC123 Registered User Posts: 89 Junior Member
    I agree with mass1. Also, it is a grievous overgeneralization to say that one school is just plain "better" than another. So many factors can be used to evaluate and compare schools that you could "rank" via a different system each time and get a different list. That's not to say USNews or other rankings don't matter, but it's just something to remember that relying solely on hearsay, stereotypes about schools, and speculation (about admissions policies, for example) cannot give an accurate picture. I think what ultimately matters, as was mentioned, is the quality of life and education once a student gets on campus.
  • hXcSTLhXcSTL Registered User Posts: 13 New Member
    WashU is a great school, but it is definitely cares a great deal about the rankings. Points are gained for having the law and business schools in one building, so they built a bridge connecting the two. Kind of sounds like they try too hard...
  • BuffyAngel299BuffyAngel299 Registered User Posts: 109 Junior Member
    As far as I know, there is no bridge between the business school and the law school. They are on different side of campus.
  • elepheleph Registered User Posts: 235 Junior Member
    I don't know about the bridge, but the law school and bschool are both relatively close together....At least when I'm walking to classes, I pass the bschool building(s?), and then a few seconds later I'm walking by a law building.
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