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Ignore that I'm African and chance me please


Replies to: Ignore that I'm African and chance me please

  • badguysbadguys Registered User Posts: 15 New Member
    3puppies, when I came back to the US they refused my credits from Nigeria as my program was too "basic" as if they were sitting in the class with me. I went to a private school (ranked first in my state) that was actually founded by whites but you know how stereotypes go.
  • 3puppies3puppies Registered User Posts: 1,075 Senior Member
    I am sorry you were treated unfairly with respect to your credits from Nigeria. I know nothing about the rigors of that particular program, but for sake of argument, and given your great scores, let's say I agree with you. Did you appeal the decision, perhaps to the school board, or better yet, the state Board of Education? I am convinced most local TV stations or newspapers would LOVE to report about the hardworking, African American / immigrant kid who is treated differently because of racism.
    3puppies, I hate when people tell me that just because I'm African any college will accept me. I've done more than any Asian I know of in my school but that doesn't seem to count for anything

    While I didn't mean to suggest you will automatically get accepted anywhere/everywhere ONLY because you are an under-represented minority, I can understand the frustration you must feel when you have worked hard and you don't want to be evaluated JUST as a the color of your skin. In my volunteer work, I am working with a brilliant Hispanic young lady who excels in math - as a sophomore she got perfect PSAT scores. She volunteers with me and while I have told her she has a legit shot (not a guarantee) at a full ride to several great schools, she has expressed frustration in being seen primarily as a minority.

    What I have told her, and I will tell you, is that your life's experience is far too small to appreciate the magnitude of how these numbers work. This is not a case of anyone being "better" than anyone else (Asian or Caucasian or whatever), it is instead a situation where the schools want a diverse class, and they have the right to fill it however they like. The way the numbers work, until there are just as many qualified URMs as other students applying, if your grades and scores are at the very top, your chances are better than many of the other applicants who are "over-represented". Like it or not, the schools use this information, ALONG WITH EVERYTHING ELSE in your application.

    You have the excellent math skills to analyze the information published by the top schools. You understand it is a crapshoot for everyone. Because of your URM status, even if your chances are three times the average acceptance rate at a single-digit acceptance rate school (say 8%), it still means your chances are no better than 1 out of 4. You have lived in a small world where you have always been at the top of all students. So prepare to be humbled - you won't get in everywhere you apply if you only search for prestige. But you will undoubtedly get into a great program which will be right for you.

    Again, best of luck with your search.

  • badguysbadguys Registered User Posts: 15 New Member
    Thanks so much for your insightful comment
  • mommyrocksmommyrocks Registered User Posts: 1,146 Senior Member
    edited September 15
    You have tremendous leadership skills as well as the "vision" of a leader to picture the future you want to create. Here is what I am reading in your post:

    Your Dream:
    "become a doctor" and "build a non-profit hospital" (two very different things)

    Your accomplishments so far:
    - Founded a non-profit
    - Started a uniform fashion line
    - Reinstituted a bus program
    - Volunteered at a non-profit clinic (apparently related to cancer)
    - Collected donations
    - Met with health representatives
    - Engaged in public speaking
    - Facilitated a wide community participation in a charity program
    - Coordinated health fairs
    - Represented a non-profit clinic at a meeting with city officials
    - Organized donations
    - Reached out for volunteers for health event
    - Advertised health event
    - Planned and coordinated church event

    These are amazing achievements, and they are almost all related to the skills it would take to start and run a nonprofit hospital, rather than the skills it would take to be a doctor. I suggest that you focus on one of these goals, and that it be starting and running a hospital, i.e., becoming a hospital administrator.

    A typical strong pre-med student would instead have a lot of SCIENCE activities and accomplishments rather than all these leadership achievements. My points is simply that maybe you should focus on pursuing undergraduate and graduate degrees related to hospital administration instead of planning to become a neurosurgeon.

    Neurosurgeons in training view a lot of mouse brains under a microscope and that sort of thing. Typical strong pre-med applicants have long lists of science achievements -- scientific research, science and math competitions and lab experience. Your talents and achievements so far, while certainly medical related, are on the administrative side of things -- planning, organizing, initiating, speaking, motivating, etc. These skills would serve you well in fulfilling your dream of starting a nonprofit hospital one day. It seems that you would be a perfect candidate for being a hospital administrator.

    To learn more about educational programs on hospital administration at the undergraduate and graduate levels, you can see these links:



    I believe an undergraduate degree related to business or public health would be good preparation for a master's degree in hospital administration if you don't get an actual bachelor's in hospital administration, but you would want to look at specific graduate degree programs and their admissions criteria to know for sure. This is something to think about -- most pre-med students never even apply to medical school or become doctors, so if you change your mind about applying to med school later (or grades change your mind for you, as happens to so many students due to difficult grading in college science courses), then you could consider this option as a fall-back.
  • badguysbadguys Registered User Posts: 15 New Member
    I wanted to run the hospital and also volunteer as a doctor in the hospital. There are very few internationally recognized as qualified specialist surgeons in my country. There would be a greater demand for someone that took that path which might increase the probability of national recognition and federal grants. I might not be a neurosurgeon, but I intend on becoming a physician.

    The clinic isn't only related to cancer but we are heavily involved in it's detection and treatment.
    Do any schools care that I went on TV to advertise for the event or that I coordinated a health fair during Hurricane Harvey and took a picture with the mayor?
  • theloniusmonktheloniusmonk Registered User Posts: 854 Member
    @mommyrocks is right, you need to shift from leadership/service to more hard core math and science for pre-med. You're academics are competitive but would be below a lot of pre-med applicants who would be 1550/3.9 uw, 800 on math 2 and either chem or bio subject tests. What's your rigor like wrt honors and APs?
  • CenterCenter Registered User Posts: 1,451 Senior Member
    @badguys-- an observation: it is both immature and disingenuous of you to ask people to chance you yet ignore that you are black/african. There are 1000s of applicants with your stats. Most will get rejected based on simple statistics. You know quite well that the color of your skin is a huge factor. Is that fair? It is what it is. If you dont want it to be a factor then dont check the box on the application. The committee will still see the spelling of your name, your nationality and your transcripts so its a moot point but for every person that doesnt want affirmative action preference policy to somehow denigrate what they have accomplished then reject using them to the extent possible.
  • badguysbadguys Registered User Posts: 15 New Member
    Sorry I was at MIT for the WISE program, my gpa UNWEIGHTED is a 3.8 and i definately plan on retaking the SAT and ACT. I always take the hardest classes that my school has all IB and AP courses. With my extremely African name, they'll be able to tell even the state in my country that I come from. I just wanted to know if that info aside, if I'm a reasonable applicant.
  • International DadInternational Dad Registered User Posts: 118 Junior Member
    The school is more easy here than another countries, for example here you normally have 6 different courses per year, in my country we have between 11 to 14 courses per year in middle and High School. College Courses in USA as physics, chemistry, etc, are mandatory in 10 grade and up.

    In University here as freshman normally you have 3 or 4 hours of classes per day in another countries you start class at 7:00 am and have 6 to 8 hours of classes per day.

    Is very funny as some universities in another countries don't have high scores in rankigs, but it's because don't have dorms or because don't are strong in research.
    But Academically are excellent.
  • skieuropeskieurope Super Moderator Posts: 27,117 Super Moderator
    edited September 21
    The committee will still see the spelling of your name
    Excuse me?!?! That certainly assumes facts not in evidence. In this case, possibly correct, but still. Many African-Americans have a name that's as WASPy as mine (and for the record, my name does nothing to reveal my ethnicity or country of origin).
    your nationality
    Which would be American (or possibly dual national) as indicacted in the original post. If s/he were not a US citizen/Permanent Resident, then ethnicity would be a moot point for the targeted colleges since they limit intl students as a percentage of total enrollees.
    your transcripts
    Again, assumes facts not in evidence. The final transcript is from a US HS. For all we know, the parent is affiliated with Médecins Sans Frontières.
    it is both immature and disingenuous of you to ask people to chance you yet ignore that you are black/african.
    Asking to disregard your ethnicity is like asking Obama's daughters to disregard their family connection.
    2 ways of basically saying the same thing, although the latter is phrased it much much better, IMO.
    Post edited by skieurope on
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