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Reverse Chance Me & Chance Me. Safeties, Targets, Reaches

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  • sbdad12sbdad12 36 replies4 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited July 11
    @durban, I'm certainly not an expert, I'm just a parent that's gathered a good amount of info on university admissions. I would agree that Gumbymom probably knows as much as all of us combined when it comes to UC admissions.

    I'm a Michigan grad (and Minnesota MBA) so my daughter is looking at Michigan. I would say her chances are about 50/50 of getting in to my alma mater with a W GPA 4.2 from a very good HS, 7 APs, 33 ACT (about equal to a 1490) is Hispanic, a varsity athlete starter on a championship team, and a legacy. And this for liberal arts, not CS. I'm also not confident she will automatically get into U of Washington, UCSB, or other schools she likes.

    CS is one of the more difficult majors to be admitted in. You need to be realistic that even with a 1500, there is a lot of competition out there.

    I can vouch for the University of Minnesota. It's a very good school in a great city, Minneapolis.

    As someone who works for a very big Silicon Valley company involved with major IT projects, just go to a good school and get your CS degree. College should be a good and enjoyable experience. Too many kids get hung up on the rankings when in the end, it doesn't matter a ton where you go.

    You will most assuredly get hired into a good job and it won't matter a few months in to your first job where you went to school.
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  • PublisherPublisher 7587 replies79 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited August 11
    OP: You list the University of Washington among your safety schools. UW should be a target school for you except for CS. It is very difficult to get direct admission to CS at the University of Washington. Just to be a competitive applicant, you will need an SAT score in excess of 1500 with a very high math score.

    The University of Florida is not a safety school for you whether applying for CS, business or any other major. Based on your current stats, it is unlikely that you will be offered admission to the University of Florida. (As a sidenote, UF has only 2% international students.)

    Consider Case Western Reserve in Cleveland, Ohio; Stevens Institute of Technology in Hoboken, New Jersey: and the University of Minnesota. CalPoly should be a target school for you based on your interests & qualifications.
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  • durbandurban 29 replies16 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    @Publisher So could my targets for CS be:
    NYU
    The ones you suggested (i'll look more into them)
    Purdue

    Can you suggest any safeties for me?
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  • HamurtleHamurtle 2297 replies30 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    I would target Case Western and not NYU. NYU is expensive and bad for merit/financial aid if that is a criteria.

    Case is extremely flexible as they don’t admit by school/major. They are also relatively generous when it comes to merit aid.
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  • durbandurban 29 replies16 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    @Hamurtle
    For the record: merit/financial aid is not an issue for me (yes, I have talked to my parents). Is there anything you'd say differently now? Any more targets and especially safeties you'd recommend?
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  • HamurtleHamurtle 2297 replies30 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    ^Rochester and Case Western. Perhaps RPI, RIT, and WPI can be matches.
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  • durbandurban 29 replies16 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited August 12
    @Hamurtle
    How about Rutgers, can that be a target? Also University of Maryland is target or safety?
    How about Santa Clara, Bentley, Babson, or Northeastern for target?
    This is for CS.
    Thank you for all the help, so far! Same goes to everyone else!
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  • HamurtleHamurtle 2297 replies30 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Rutgers, Bentley, and Babson could targets/matches, although Bentley and Babson are probably better for business/finance.

    Santa Clara is a target. Be aware that there are CS majors in Arts and Sciences and in the Engineering school. It’s probably easier to be admitted into Arts and Science.

    Consider UMD a reach as their CS program is highly regarded. Northeastern has gotten extremely selective in the last few years so that could be a reach as well.
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  • durbandurban 29 replies16 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited August 12
    @Hamurtle Yes, I'll probably specifically apply for business/finance at bentley and babson.

    However, for the rest of the colleges I will do BA in CS. If i want to go more into the engineering field i can transfer to a BS in CS later in college if im up for it and work hard (and i'm guessing there's some luck involved)

    I don't want to put too much work on you, but if my score improves to 1450 what changes in this list? If my score changes to 1500 what changes? This is given my GPA hovers at 3.9 W, i stay being an international student, and my ECs are the same ( they are above avg, but not hooks)
    If you could answer those 2 questions to the best of your abilities I would really appreciate it.
    I know hypotheticals aren't the greatest, but as i am doing my last SAT in october and if my score improves then there will be changes in my college list with some moving down from target to safety or reach to target or i might apply to some more colleges, etc... Obviously right now there is the CURRENT LIST we are discussing with my CURRENT score, but I just wanted to know how the list will need to change depending on 2 different SAT score improvements (see above)
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  • HamurtleHamurtle 2297 replies30 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    1500 might make a school like CMU in reach, especially Tepper Business School. And most of your schools will be in target although OOS public schools will not be matches since their mandate is to take in-state students first.

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  • durbandurban 29 replies16 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited August 13
    @Hamurtle "And most of your schools will be in target" which school can you please specify?.. sorry for the inconvenience, but it was a bit vague what are you referring to since so much is going on.
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  • HamurtleHamurtle 2297 replies30 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    ^Meaning with a better SAT all your schools are targets/matches except Tufts, Yale, and possibly Michigan.
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  • cptofthehousecptofthehouse 28759 replies56 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    The US has quotas for a number of international entrants. Colleges often do too. So if you are of an overrepresented nationality it’s more difficult for you. Diversity is what US colleges seek in its student body, and this is something that affects international students’ accept rates. If you are of a over represented nationality that tends to have a lot of US college applicants with very high test scores and other high academic performance indicators, you may not fare so well.

    That’s not to say you should not try. You have going for you , finances. If you are not applying for financial aid, that makes a huge difference because this process is not need blind to international students except for a handful of among the most selective schools.

    I suggest, looking for some regional schools as safeties. It’s going to be hard work. I’m talking about schools like Sacred Heart University in Connecticut. Look for computer science programs; I mentioned that one because they have a huge contingent of international students in their student body studying STEM subjects. I went to a graduation not long ago there, and could not help but notice all the international names in the program. These schools, off the beaten path offer excellent admissions value to those who really want to study in the US. I think Catholic schools might be a good place to start

    I’m not telling you to give up on your lists of schools. Maybe trim them down and replace some of them with schools without as much name recognition. I would do that if I really wanted to come study in this country
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  • durbandurban 29 replies16 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    @Hamurtle Ok, so you're talking about my original list that I posted. Got it.
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  • durbandurban 29 replies16 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited August 14
    @cptofthehouse Thank you for your response. You are definitely right that just because I've heard it doesn't mean it's "not good". You said it was hard to find, so is there any way you suggest I go about finding these smaller regional schools?

    Also, I am of Indian citizenship (only born there never lived there), but lived in Japan as a permanent resident all my life. I've been trying to get Japanese citizenship, but will not get it in time for college applications. Will they still be understanding that I'm much more 'Japanese' than I will ever be Indian?
    I know what's on paper is paper, but they must be looking holistically right such as the school I go to and what environment is provides, where I live, etc...
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  • durbandurban 29 replies16 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited August 15
    @Hamurtle Most of the colleges you mentioned were target/match do you know any safeties good for international students doing CS? (based on my current scores)
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  • durbandurban 29 replies16 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    @Hamurtle If you did not see the message here it is. Perhaps you are tired of this discussion, but it really is my last question as the only thing left in my college list are my safeties...
    "Most of the colleges you mentioned were target/match do you know any safeties good for international students doing CS? (based on my current scores)"
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  • HippobirdyHippobirdy 263 replies1 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    edited August 17
    Take a look at Iowa State for a safety, since they offer scholarships to international students.
    https://www.admissions.iastate.edu/intl/merit_scholarships.php
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  • GreymeerGreymeer 733 replies9 postsRegistered User Member
    If you want CS safeties, I suggest Arizona State, Iowa State, Central Florida.
    Matches Texas A&M, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Stonybrook.
    For GT, Washington, Michigan you will need a 1500 and even then it is still unlikely.
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  • cptofthehousecptofthehouse 28759 replies56 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    I had a wonderful conversation with a doctor at a wedding last month. He came to the US with his family and applied to US colleges as an international student, no green card He ended up at a school in Arkansas. Not his first choice. Luckily he applied to schools that were not oversubscribed and was accepted. He did extraordinarily well there and was accepted to medical school here in this country. Again at s school that would not be his first choice. But his title is Dr now and he is doing his residency at one of his top choices.

    Sometimes we have choices that are not on the agenda. We have to work to get them on the table because they may offer us the path to get where we want. As you well know, Indian nationality is way over represented at top schools. If you have the grades and test scores, absolutely give it a try but don’t ignore the statistics. The most selective schools by definition are long shots.

    At least finding a list of the most selective schools is easy. Just google and there they are. The crux of good college search is finding the unheralded schools with little name recognition that can give you what you want in all but name recognition. There are thousands of these schools. Any flagship state university is a good bet—check out Arkansas, Mississippi, Idaho. You need to check out programs , what is offered etc etc. That is where the work in college search lies.

    I don’t know if Japanese citizenship confers Any advantage over Indian in terms of International quotas at colleges.
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