Yale vs Wharton vs Brown

<p>Hi. I’ve been accepted to these three schools
and I am having the hardest time trying to make up my mind.</p>

<p>I’ve read some posts on cc and they all say:

  1. If you’re a hardcore aspiring businessperson, Wharton all the way.
  2. Humanities in general (especially law), Yale’s the best education.
  3. Fun and open curriculum —> Brown.</p>

<p>The problem is I am not exactly set on one career path.
I am interested in a variety of fields… and I’d like to explore, rather than follow a strict route, in college. </p>

<p>*Ideally: Solid in both in-depth & broad liberal arts education (with lots of discussion and critical thinking)</p>

<p>The main criteria regarding colleges for me are
-the academia of course (faculty accessibility? solid teaching? student enthusiasm about learning? discussion-centered? workload? course difficulty?)
-the atmosphere (hypercompetitive or collaborative? liberal or conservative? laid-back? cliquey/ segregated?)
-food
-people (chill? sheltered? pretentious? open-minded?)
-surroundings (fun? shady? dangerous? uninteresting? lots of music and artistic events?)
-how strong is the International Relations program (if there is one): I heard IR is one of the most popular majors at Brown… also that UPenn has a good IR/global business.</p>

<p>Feel free to talk about other stuff about the colleges. I want to know as much as possible before I am forced to choose one in three weeks :)</p>

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Sounds like Yale would be perfect for you. If you don’t know what you want to do, you shouldn’t go to Wharton, because it is a professional program designed for people planning to go into business. That doesn’t mean you can’t do something else with a Wharton degree, but a Wharton education is not suited to exploring a variety of fields to find one that interests you.
Though Brown has an open curriculum, Yale’s distribution requirments also leaves you very free to choose classes as you want. As long as you take two science classes (chosen from all the science classes offered at Yale), two social science classes (again chosen from all the social-science classes at Yale), and two humanities classes (out of all the humanities classes at Yale), as well as fulfilling the language requirement (can be done in as little as one semester if you took a language in high school), a writing requirement (two writing-intensive classes, which can come from a wide variety of fields), and a quantitative reasoning requirement (two classes, again with a wide variety of fields to choose from). Someone who wants to explore is going to be taking all these types of classes anyway, so Brown’s open curriculum would provide you with little advantage.

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<li>Faculty at Yale are highly accessible and are generally very good teachers. All professors at Yale must teach undergrads, so you will have the opportunity to take classes from even the most famous of professors (the likes of the world’s most famous Shakespeare critic, Harold Bloom). Students are generally enthusiastic about learning, particularly if you avoid large introductory classes. I consider the workload and course difficulty quite high, but I’m also taking a rather difficult course load. In general, you can decide how hard a schedule you want to take, but most students at Yale work pretty hard.</li>
<li>Yale is extremely collaborative. People taking the same class share notes, go over problem sets together, and study for tests together. Yale is fairly liberal (probably around 2/3 Democrats, if not more) but there are certainly opportunities for conservatives as well (if you’re interested in politics, the Yale Political Union is actually much more balanced). </li>
<li>The food is perfectly decent by college standards. Sometimes (like tonight, probably because of Easter) it’s actually quite good, while other times it’s mediocre. As a freshman, you must eat all your meals in the dining hall, but later you can choose a meal plan with fewer meals.</li>
<li>One thing that many students visiting Yale that I’ve talked to have told me they liked about Yale is how friendly the students are, and that rings true to me. Yale students are enthusiastic, hard-working and super-involved in extracurriculars. You will, of course, encounter some pretentious jerks (what Ivy-league school lacks them?), but for the most part, Yale people are amazing.</li>
<li>To be frank, parts of New Haven are a little sketchy, but as long as you travel in a group if you’re leaving the center of campus after dark, you should probably be ok. There is a pretty decent selection of restaurants around campus, while most of the best artistic, musical, and cultural events are actually on campus. Yale has wonderful museums (the Art Gallery, the Peabody, and the British Art Museum spring to mind), great theater (both student and professional), and important and interesting speakers coming all the time. Trust me when I say that not having enough to do is never a problem.</li>
<li>Yale has no International Relations major, but it does have a major in International Studies (more info here: <a href=“The MacMillan Center |)%5B/url%5D”>The MacMillan Center |)</a>. Alternatively you can major in political science and focus on international relations. Also, in terms of stuff outside the classroom, the Yale International Relations Association is probably the richest student group on campus. It runs a Model United Nations team, two MUN conferences, and brings a variety of speakers of interest to IR people to campus.</li>
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<p>Yeah, this is an easy choice, go to Yale.</p>

<p>Agreed. All top companies recruit at Yale, so having excellent business job prospects is no problem. And you’ll be able to pursue your own choice of studies during college (I know that Wharton allows this too, but it is to a lesser extent, since 1/2 the courses are required core business). </p>

<p>The way I see it, Yale gives you something to be gained - the freedom - with nothing to lose</p>

<p>All good schools. But you’re looking for Yale.</p>

<p>Yeah, this is an easy choice, go to Wharton.</p>

<p>Easy choice, definitely go to Yale. Ignore the Penn student vinny380, he’s biased :D</p>

<p>^so says the also biased yale student/alum =)</p>

<p>No question about it. Go to Brown where you will be able to reach your fullest potential and still be well adjusted without requiring therapy in graduate school…Ignore the biased Penn student ( not Pen State, just making sure…) and the other also biased Yale dude from crappy New Haven…</p>

<p>Yale student here. Going to Yale, you are recognized by all firms as being one of the top students in America and hence are HEAVILY recruited. Wharton will give you a great business education but it will give you just that. At Yale, whatever your interest or aspiration, you will be considered top in your field and will be extremely competitive for some of the most competitive positions anywhere in any field. Also Yale is a HELL of a lot of fun. I dont’ have the benefit of going to Brown to comment on it, but Yale has been the greatest time of my life and I wouldn’t trade it for anything else. I have frequent conversations with my friends that revolve around how much we absolutely adore the school. Seriously.</p>

<p>I’m the resident Dartmouth fan and I say go to Yale without a doubt, at least over Wharton. There are few jobs Wharton will set you up with that Yale can’t, but the overall less pre-professional environment is a big plus for Yale. Yale is also a fun school with an active social scene.</p>

<p>Yale or Brown. Wharton would be decent if it wasn’t for all the Wharton kids.</p>

<p>Lol I agree. Why put yourself through that and get little extra in return?</p>

<p>“There are few jobs Wharton will set you up with that Yale can’t”</p>

<p>Actually, I’d say that is not true. Of course all the big BB banks and other firms with that sort of training infrastructure will hire undergrads from all types of backgrounds, but there are several hedge funds and pe groups that simply won’t take someone without a very solid business background. They simply have neither the resources nor the inclination to train someone in corporate valuation and similar tasks, but require their new hires to jump right in.</p>

<p>I agree with you snip…however, by any means, those jobs are VERY few. hedge funds and PE after undergrad?</p>

<p>The PE groups and hedge funds really don’t care that much about the level of your degree. They care about your level of knowledge, and the people who gets those jobs usually have one or two summers of summer internships at BB banks behind them. </p>

<p>As you can see from the survey below, 3.2% of respondents went into PE or VC, so its not many, but it happens. <a href=“http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2006Report.pdf[/url]”>http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/wharton/surveys/Wharton2006Report.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>people who go to wharton will have more practical and adaptable business knowledge. Why waste your $160k+ on some degree that doesn’t effectively teach you about the real business world and forces you to go to grad school. What does an art history or anthropology major do for you in the business world. Economics cannot be applied to complex finance fields, you will actualy have to learn roughly everything from scratch while working, while wharton grads already have the knowledge and move up as they work not just learn</p>

<p>gmurguia,</p>

<p>Where exactly is this mythical “real business world” everyone keeps talking about? It’s a nice convenient little cliche, particularly useful for putting those with academic interests in their rightful place. Trivial history and english classes won’t close those business deals like practicing your golf swing. Who needs higher level math and sciences when real businessmen spend their day writing checks and e-mails?</p>

<p>Certainly the only reason 7 of 8 ivy league schools lack undergraduate business schools is because they haven’t caught on yet. With all their undergrads so woefully unprepared for the “real business world”, it’s rather peculiar that they can still get alumni donations.</p>

<p>Yep. If you go to Yale, you’ll probably just end up working for a Wharton man.</p>

<p>P.S. Yale has one of the best English departments in the country. It can teach you about run-on sentences and the use of proper punctuation.</p>

<p>Okay, you sound like you really know about managing a company or investing. As long as you’re eloquent and articulate you’ll do well in the business world. That just doeesn’t make sense. It sounds as if actual business skills aren’t important or required to succeed.</p>

<p>Also, ivy’s don’t have undergrad business out of tradition ( cornell does have a form of business, applied aeconomics). Those others even resisted implemented MBAs because they thought that studying business was not academic and undignified to study. Penn (Wharton) had to go first, and it wasn’t until Dartmouth reacted 20 years later that ivy’s started employing MBAs because they saw how useful studying business was. (yale took almost 100 years, if that’s not reactionary what is)</p>

<p>Also, isn’t it strange how top schools all over the world have undergrad business. It’s because they see the importance of it for undergrads. But, unfortunately these Ivy’s are too “traditional” with their undergrad studies. </p>

<p>I think everything is amazing at yale, except the school could become much more practical if you could actually study business and not just liberal arts. What’s wrong with undergad business? please let me know.</p>

<p>Also, there’s a large amount of donations because many wealthy people went to graduate programs. You can do well with a bachelor’s degree, but a business education definately will helps you, and is even almost necessary nowadays, when it comes to careers in big business (not just mom and pop stores). Thank god for wharton, which is like a combo of undergrad and mba business. Most employers actually see a wharton education as an MBA. Thus, with business under your belt in grad school you can study law, medicine, politcal science, whatever. you can expand your knowledge even more. (depending if you choose to go to grad school)</p>

<p>PS. I’m somewhat biased cause i’m choosing to attend wharton next year. So if you’re still deciding between the two schools, I think my opinions are pretty close to the truth and they fit my career goals. If you are thinking of atending grad school for business, than you should def. consider both but if not choose wharton</p>

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<p>When you’re at a corporate dinner or other function you will be judged not only on your business acumen but also on your understanding of the wider world. If you’re trying to get someone to be your client, and she has an art collection, knowing something about art history could stand you in very good stead. This is only one example, but making your way in the business world consists not only in being good at your actual job, but also in the relationships that are formed with both your colleagues and potential clients. The more well-rounded you are and the wider your interests and knowledge, the more you will have to bring to any business you may find yourself in. For that reason, many firms choose to hire new people who have broad liberal arts backgrounds and can write and think well. Specific business skills can then be learned on the job.</p>