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OVERLAP SCHOOLS as compiled by the Fiske Guide To Colleges 2020 Edition
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One of the most interesting and most valuable insights offered by the Fiske Guide To Colleges 2020 Edition is the section on "overlap schools".
The Fiske Guide explains its overlaps section as follows:
"Most colleges and universities operate within fairly defined "niche markets". That is, they compete for students against other institutions with whom they share important characteristics, such as academic quality, size, geographic location, and the overall tone and style of campus life." Students who apply to a particular school also tend to apply to its peer institutions.
The Fiske Guide To College staff asked each school included in the guide to give "the names of the colleges or universities that they consider to be their closest peer institutions and those with which they share the most...applications [in common], and these are listed in the "Overlaps" section at the end of each write-up".
121 replies The Fiske Guide explains its overlaps section as follows:
"Most colleges and universities operate within fairly defined "niche markets". That is, they compete for students against other institutions with whom they share important characteristics, such as academic quality, size, geographic location, and the overall tone and style of campus life." Students who apply to a particular school also tend to apply to its peer institutions.
The Fiske Guide To College staff asked each school included in the guide to give "the names of the colleges or universities that they consider to be their closest peer institutions and those with which they share the most...applications [in common], and these are listed in the "Overlaps" section at the end of each write-up".
Replies to: OVERLAP SCHOOLS as compiled by the Fiske Guide To Colleges 2020 Edition
Brown University overlaps = Yale, Harvard, Princeton, Univ. of Pennsylvania, Stanford, Columbia, Cornell & UCal-Berkeley. (But not Vassar College.)
Vanderbilt University overlaps = Duke, Harvard, Yale, Penn, Cornell, Stanford, WashUStL, & Princeton. (But not SMU.)
Once we discovered it, months into our search, the Fiske guide became our favorite and has remained our favorite. All may be flawed in some way, but Fiske is our best of the bunch.
And part of the reason (of several reasons) is the overlap list. We both love it. It gives us a chance to discover schools we hadn't thought of. Or to investigate more deeply schools we had discarded, only to decide we should have looked deeper in the first place.
I give 4 pens to the overlap list.
Would not be surprised if each college named other colleges generally "above" them on the usual popular prestige rankings and scales, but not those "below" them. So not surprising that SMU considers Vanderbilt a peer, but Vanderbilt does not consider SMU a peer.
Seems like finding "hidden gems" (i.e. lesser known or less selective colleges that may have similar characteristics) would be easier to do with a reversed list -- i.e. what other colleges consider this college a peer. (For graph-theory/math/CS people, if the Fiske peer list survey were a graph with each node being a college and each directed edge A->B meaning that A considers B to be its peer, reverse the direction of edges.) So, if you like Vanderbilt, but want to find others like it that may not be as hard to get into, you want to known what other colleges consider Vanderbilt to be their peer (e.g. SMU), not what Vanderbilt considers to be its peer (e.g. Harvard).
Postmodern gave Fiske's Guide an A in their excellent college admissions book summary!
https://talk.collegeconfidential.com/admissions-hindsight-lessons-learned/2121403-postmodern-s-guide-to-the-college-guides-p1.html
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Agreed, I do think it's helpful, especially to parents and students as they start and research the admissions process
NYU overlaps = USC, Cornell, Boston University, Northeastern, Carnegie Mellon (CMU), UCal-Berkeley, Columbia, and Harvard.
Excellent! That would be a great resource.
Can we expect that on our desks in the morning?
Aspirational, possibly, from the viewpoibnt of the particular school, and realistic from the list showing schools with which a particular school shares the most applications in common.
Although not clear, it appears that the first schools listed are those with which share the most applications in common. But this is just a guess based on the fact that the overlaps are not listed in alphabetical order. It would be helpful if the Fiske Guide further clarified their listing of overlap schools.
Northwestern University overlaps = Yale, Stanford, Harvard, Michigan, Penn, Princeton, WashUStL, & Duke. (But not Cornell.)
Cornell University overlaps = Harvard, Penn, Princeton, Stanford, & Yale.
Harvard University overlaps = MIT, Princeton, Stanford, & Yale.
California Institute of Technology (CalTech) overlaps : MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Princeton, UCal-Berkeley, Harvey Mudd College, Chicago & Yale.
University of Washington overlaps: UCal-Berkeley, UCLA, USC, Washington State, Univ. of Illinois, Boston University, Michigan, & NYU.
University of Vermont overlaps = Ithaca College, Univ. of Colorado-Boulder, Univ. of New Hampshire, UMass-Amherst, Syracuse, Coll. of Wm. & Mary, Boston University, & UConn.
And while we liked and used the Fisk’s guide very much, we found the school descriptions in The Hidden Ivies to be more expansive, went deeper and perhaps rang truer. Downside of that book is that it only includes about 65 schools.
https://www.chronicle.com/interactives/peers-network
and the accompanying article:
https://www.chronicle.com/article/in-selecting-peers-for/134228
The schools have to report this data each year to Dept of Education, but I don't readily see it in IPEDS.
Another downside is it focuses on LAS schools. Which is great if that's what you're looking for. Not so useful if you're a STEM kid.
EDIT: Just saw the list of schools included in the book. While the description says they cover LAS schools, there are definitely schools included that are not traditional LAS schools and are strong in other areas (i.e. Duke, Rice, Northwestern, WUSTL).