Katliamom, can you please explain why you believe the young man posting this thread will, "give UVA a bad name?" If you can't explain that, then explain how can you justify an ad hominem attack against someone who is a minor? It is my personal experience that people who can engage in reasoned discourse on controversial topics make the very best students and citizens. But that is just my personal opinion.
I would like to address the "male" part of this scholarship.
Females far outnumber males at practically all colleges. Yet there are a huge amount of scholarships available to women, even though they are the majority. Google scholarships for men, you will only get references to this article. Then google scholarships for women, you will have pages of results.
Also, this is not about affirmative action. Giving a $500 scholarship is very different from college acceptance. This discussion has taken a left turn.
I say if you have the funds and want to set up a scholarship fund with distinct parameters, then that is your right.
"can you please explain why you believe the young man posting this thread will, "give UVA a bad name?""
How about because he says says things like
"but Asians are naturally very intelligent"...Just sayin....let's just say it's not PC.
As far as the "tons/plethora" of scholarships for URM's, they are almost all based on income AND minority status.
And as far as " I do not see white people complaining about scholarships restricted to minorities only."....just search "afirmative action" and see if anyone is complaining.
I won't argue it here, but I believe race continues to play a role independant of income when it comes to education.
Personally, I don't think there is much "push back" regarding this scholarship. I bet nobody really cares. I have read this author before, and I don't think his stuff is well reasearched.As mentioned above, there are plenty of non-URM groups that offer scholarships.
Shrinkrap, maybe I phrased that wrong. But Asians do perform better on standardized tests than other races and that is a fact. Maybe it is because they are more driven or maybe it is because they are pushed harder by their families. Whatever the case, it is a fact. If you think Asians are naturally less smart than other races then please explain why. Also, I guess that means other posters on this thread "will give a school a bad name". As nattilee stated "blacks, on average, score lower on the SATs than their white counterparts of similar income and same school." Are you arguing that this can not be true for Asians?
Asian Americans make up 4% of the U.S. population, but represent 20% of the students now attending America's elite Ivy League schools.
HomeschoolMD, thanks for backing me up. I feel like it is immature for someone to make such a harsh, demeaning statement because I hold an opinion. You're talking about the case I'm trying to defend. I feel bad for whites who come from lower income families. Their college scholarship options are vastly limited due to their skin color.
I guess holding an opinion on this site is looked down upon. Because I don't agree with your views doesn't mean you have to be cruel. Remember, when MLK was first outspoken about his OPINION about how AA were treated, many disregarded him. Are you doing the same? HomeschoolMD is the perfect example. He has suffered the same setbacks that an AA of the same income would. However, even though he overcame the situation, he is still restricted from a plethora of scholarships due solely to his skin color.
Hanna, you are right, that was ignorant of me. However, are the whites complaining about the scholarships because of the minority’s skin color, or the concept of the scholarship being limited to one race? The first option is blatant racism and the person should be ashamed of themselves. However, the second option is fueled by a sense of unfairness. Yes, I know life isn't fair. But being restricted from something because of skin color is just unfair. I would actually like someone to find one thing AA or Hispanics are restricted from. And I mean legally not allowed to participate in.
Again guys, I’m just arguing this because it is something that personally ticks me off. To see some of my friends not able to apply for scholarships they greatly need hurts me.
I actually recall a scholarship open to whites around 2005 (maybe?) that was offered by a Hispanic professor who thought the minority-based scholarships were unchallenged racism. I heard about it on the radio (can't find an article about it now). It was news specifically because the man funding it was Hispanic.
I'm not above taking a scholarship for Polish girls. I look for them all the time. I haven't been oppressed at all for being Polish, though. Neither was my mother. But for some reason, Polish people feel like helping other Polish people get through college, whether or not there was hardship. I think that's what's offensive about it. It's not the discrimination, it's the idea that these people only want to help others of their own heritage succeeed, simply because they're of the same heritage.
Yes, but speakingez, what about students from the "white" heritage. I do not have a large enough percent of one race to be considered for a scholarship. However, I am able to apply for this scholarship. Many Hispanic and AAs think that the scholarship is unfair. And I do recall reading about a scholarship for whites released a long time ago. I've done a lot of reading on this subject. I'll try to find an article.
There are thousands of scholarships out there. If you can't find one, you're not looking hard enough.
You dont need to open WHITES ONLY scholarships to let whites pay for college. If the poor white guy isn't smart enough to be awarded a normal corporate or private/public scholarship, he wont be smart enough to get a white's only scholarship. With blacks it's a bit different since they tend to score worse all around.
There is no such thing as white heritage. If you can split it into sub-categories, it's not a culture. Middle eastern caucasians are so much different than Swedes....I'm not even going to start.
But when you transplant 9 million people from west africa to the USA...yeah they develop a distinct culture.
"If you think Asians are naturally less smart than other races then please explain why."
PLEASE tell me where I implied that? This kind of post is concerning to me.
"Also, I guess that means other posters on this thread "will give a school a bad name".
It does sometime make an impression, good or bad, when a poster becomes associated with a specific school.
As nattilee stated "blacks, on average, score lower on the SATs than their white counterparts of similar income and same school." Are you arguing that this can not be true for Asians?
THAT is a statement of fact. Voicing what i think is an opinion regarding "natural intelligence" goes beyond that.
"Why do blacks "tend to score worse "? is a good question, one that a lot of learned people, and I like to include myself among them, spend a great deal of time on. Between my last post and this one, I reviewed a 60 page document trying to answer just that question for an African American boy. His IEP was complicated by the fact that cognitive ability tests that are considered culturally biased are not allowed. I happen to think that is sometimes an opportunity to deny services.
I actually never realized that Shrinkrap. That is very interesting. By the way, I meant the opposite of the first quote, that Asians actually DO score higher than other races.
There is no such thing as white heritage. If you can split it into sub-categories, it's not a culture. Middle Eastern Caucasians are so much different than Swedes....I'm not even going to start.
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I agree there is certainly no such thing as "white" heritage. But I am referring to the Americans who do not hold enough of a specific heritage to be "allowed" to apply to race specific scholarships. And obviously, middle eastern Caucasians are very different from Swedes. However, if you do not fall into one category of race - meaning you do not hold enough of one race - what should you consider yourself?
While I disagree with racial or ethnic requirements entirely, I don't see a problem with a whites-only scholarship, as it's really not much different than any other scholarship with racial or ethnic restrictions.
What's especially interesting is that so many people are quick to cite the supposed dominance of white males. While, indeed, rich white males have oppressed other groups in the past and have rarely been oppressed, not all white males are rich. Especially not that manufacturing jobs are drying up across America, many white males are unemployed.
Just being a white male doesn't make your life problem-free, and there's many very poor groups of whites, especially those put out of work by economic changes or in certain rural areas.
To say that whites-only scholarships shouldn't be allowed, but scholarships for African Americans, Hispanics, or other specific groups should be allowed is using logic racist against whites. [No, I will not use the term "reverse racism," as this term is racist in its suggestion that discriminating against white people is somehow not as bad as discriminating against any other group...]
I'd prefer it if no scholarships were limited on the basis of race or ethnicity, but since we can't have that, whites-only scholarships should have their place among all the other scholarships with racial or ethnic requirements.
UVA, you need to read my post again if you think I'm only against white scholarships. I think scholarships based on race or culture are unethical. I implied that I really don't deserve a scholarship just for being Polish. I apply to them because I need the money and I'm willing to be a little unethical to pay for college.
My point is, there needs to be more than a race requirement for any scholarship. I think students should also demonstrate hardship as a result of the specified race.
And if you can't identify with a single race, you need to find something else to identify with in regards to scholarship searches. You don't need to rely on race. I'm sure there's something else that makes you who you are. I recall a scholarship for Trekkies (I couldn't apply because I wasn't a member of the mock Star Fleet *sad face* ).
ETA: And when you're older, you'll be able to start a scholarship specifically for students of several races, if you think it's necessary.
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Then you aren't looking very hard. There are plenty of those people just on this web site, never mind the rest of the world.
Females far outnumber males at practically all colleges. Yet there are a huge amount of scholarships available to women, even though they are the majority. Google scholarships for men, you will only get references to this article. Then google scholarships for women, you will have pages of results.
Also, this is not about affirmative action. Giving a $500 scholarship is very different from college acceptance. This discussion has taken a left turn.
I say if you have the funds and want to set up a scholarship fund with distinct parameters, then that is your right.
How about because he says says things like
"but Asians are naturally very intelligent"...Just sayin....let's just say it's not PC.
As far as the "tons/plethora" of scholarships for URM's, they are almost all based on income AND minority status.
And as far as " I do not see white people complaining about scholarships restricted to minorities only."....just search "afirmative action" and see if anyone is complaining.
I won't argue it here, but I believe race continues to play a role independant of income when it comes to education.
Personally, I don't think there is much "push back" regarding this scholarship. I bet nobody really cares. I have read this author before, and I don't think his stuff is well reasearched.As mentioned above, there are plenty of non-URM groups that offer scholarships.
HomeschoolMD, thanks for backing me up. I feel like it is immature for someone to make such a harsh, demeaning statement because I hold an opinion. You're talking about the case I'm trying to defend. I feel bad for whites who come from lower income families. Their college scholarship options are vastly limited due to their skin color.
I guess holding an opinion on this site is looked down upon. Because I don't agree with your views doesn't mean you have to be cruel. Remember, when MLK was first outspoken about his OPINION about how AA were treated, many disregarded him. Are you doing the same? HomeschoolMD is the perfect example. He has suffered the same setbacks that an AA of the same income would. However, even though he overcame the situation, he is still restricted from a plethora of scholarships due solely to his skin color.
Hanna, you are right, that was ignorant of me. However, are the whites complaining about the scholarships because of the minority’s skin color, or the concept of the scholarship being limited to one race? The first option is blatant racism and the person should be ashamed of themselves. However, the second option is fueled by a sense of unfairness. Yes, I know life isn't fair. But being restricted from something because of skin color is just unfair. I would actually like someone to find one thing AA or Hispanics are restricted from. And I mean legally not allowed to participate in.
Again guys, I’m just arguing this because it is something that personally ticks me off. To see some of my friends not able to apply for scholarships they greatly need hurts me.
I'm not above taking a scholarship for Polish girls. I look for them all the time. I haven't been oppressed at all for being Polish, though. Neither was my mother. But for some reason, Polish people feel like helping other Polish people get through college, whether or not there was hardship. I think that's what's offensive about it. It's not the discrimination, it's the idea that these people only want to help others of their own heritage succeeed, simply because they're of the same heritage.
You dont need to open WHITES ONLY scholarships to let whites pay for college. If the poor white guy isn't smart enough to be awarded a normal corporate or private/public scholarship, he wont be smart enough to get a white's only scholarship. With blacks it's a bit different since they tend to score worse all around.
But when you transplant 9 million people from west africa to the USA...yeah they develop a distinct culture.
PLEASE tell me where I implied that? This kind of post is concerning to me.
"Also, I guess that means other posters on this thread "will give a school a bad name".
It does sometime make an impression, good or bad, when a poster becomes associated with a specific school.
As nattilee stated "blacks, on average, score lower on the SATs than their white counterparts of similar income and same school." Are you arguing that this can not be true for Asians?
THAT is a statement of fact. Voicing what i think is an opinion regarding "natural intelligence" goes beyond that.
"Why do blacks "tend to score worse "? is a good question, one that a lot of learned people, and I like to include myself among them, spend a great deal of time on. Between my last post and this one, I reviewed a 60 page document trying to answer just that question for an African American boy. His IEP was complicated by the fact that cognitive ability tests that are considered culturally biased are not allowed. I happen to think that is sometimes an opportunity to deny services.
Did you know even though ADHD is "diagnosed" by teachers in URM boys, at twice the rate of there ORM counterparts, white boys take stimulants at twice the rate? http://www.blacknews.com/news/psycho_slavery_black_boys_white_teachers_adhd101.shtml.
http://www.umassmed.edu/uploadedFiles/cmhsr/Publications/White%20Paper-Disparities%20in%20child%20and%20adol%20psychoactive%20med%20prescription%20practices%20by%20race%20and%20ethnicity.pdf
By the way, I mispoke about the author of the original article.Apologies.
The answers might be more complicated than you or I realize.
bzva74 you said .
I agree there is certainly no such thing as "white" heritage. But I am referring to the Americans who do not hold enough of a specific heritage to be "allowed" to apply to race specific scholarships. And obviously, middle eastern Caucasians are very different from Swedes. However, if you do not fall into one category of race - meaning you do not hold enough of one race - what should you consider yourself?
What's especially interesting is that so many people are quick to cite the supposed dominance of white males. While, indeed, rich white males have oppressed other groups in the past and have rarely been oppressed, not all white males are rich. Especially not that manufacturing jobs are drying up across America, many white males are unemployed.
Just being a white male doesn't make your life problem-free, and there's many very poor groups of whites, especially those put out of work by economic changes or in certain rural areas.
To say that whites-only scholarships shouldn't be allowed, but scholarships for African Americans, Hispanics, or other specific groups should be allowed is using logic racist against whites. [No, I will not use the term "reverse racism," as this term is racist in its suggestion that discriminating against white people is somehow not as bad as discriminating against any other group...]
I'd prefer it if no scholarships were limited on the basis of race or ethnicity, but since we can't have that, whites-only scholarships should have their place among all the other scholarships with racial or ethnic requirements.
My point is, there needs to be more than a race requirement for any scholarship. I think students should also demonstrate hardship as a result of the specified race.
And if you can't identify with a single race, you need to find something else to identify with in regards to scholarship searches. You don't need to rely on race. I'm sure there's something else that makes you who you are. I recall a scholarship for Trekkies (I couldn't apply because I wasn't a member of the mock Star Fleet *sad face* ).
ETA: And when you're older, you'll be able to start a scholarship specifically for students of several races, if you think it's necessary.