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Merit scholarships, medium size schools, science major
Lisam128
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Hi, am wondering if people can weigh in. D is a hs junior and interested in science major -chem, bio, marine, environmental. Obviously she's not sure yet and will probably get a Masters. We are on the east coast-originally from PA and now in FLA. She wants to go oos to a medium size school (abt 10 tp 15k students) in a pretty area ( think georgetown or chapel hill). Though we earn over 150k we are caught in the housing crash and dont have substantial retirement money. We really can't afford a 50k year school and she will have to get a merit scholarship. Her stats.... 750 cr, 740 math, 720 writing. PSAT probably close to NM competition but only if we get lucky. 4.0 UNweighted GPA. Took AP ENvirnmental last year and got a 5. This yr has AP LIT, AP calc AB, AP Chem, AP Govt and AP Econ. She plays 2 varsity sports and is captain of her competitive soccer team outside of school. She has a part time job, club and honor society memberships.
What schools do you think could be a fit which could give merit money? I know chances are higher for merit awards if you are statistically stronger than the general applicant pool. But she also wants to get into a challenging program that will hopefully encourage women in STEM. thanks to all who weigh in!
60 repliesWhat schools do you think could be a fit which could give merit money? I know chances are higher for merit awards if you are statistically stronger than the general applicant pool. But she also wants to get into a challenging program that will hopefully encourage women in STEM. thanks to all who weigh in!
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Replies to: Merit scholarships, medium size schools, science major
What's wrong with the Florida schools?
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You may not realize this, but most good schools are going to have "challenging" programs in STEM because that's where the higher stats kids are concentrated in....even if students in other majors may have lesser stats.
So, your D should be looking at schools where her stats are high....because the STEM majors will still be rigorous. "High stats kids" are not equally spread out amongst all majors...they're pretty much concentrated within about 8-10 majors.
That's why state schools, which may have more modest middle quartile scores, will still have challenging courses in STEM.
and...I imagine that most are anxious to get more women and typically have supporting programs and groups for women in engineering/science...at least that's why I've seen.
When you say that you want merit, can you clarify. At a $55k+ school, how much merit would you need? Can you pay $20k per year? If so, then you'd need about $35-40k in merit...which is a FULL TUITION scholarship at a private. You'd essentially be left paying for room, board, fees, books, and misc. Obviously, if you can "only" pay $20k per year, a $15k merit scholarship ($60k total) is not enough.
Full tuition scholarships are obviously VERY expensive for a school to award, so typically most schools give few....to a few targeted students.
Getting a full tuition scholarship typically requires a student's stats to be within the top 3-5% of a school. At a very small number of schools, the top 10% might get free tuition (that's pretty rare....and I can only think of one school that does that).
If your D makes NMF, then she'll have some schools offer her near-full rides and such. With her current stats, there are schools that will offer her full tuition...but they won't be ranked like G'town or UNC...they will be a few mid-tiers and some 3rd tiers.
Your D may want a top school like G'town or UNC, but at those schools too many kids have high stats, so merit wouldn't be awarded.
Once you know how much you can pay, then you'll know how much merit you'd need.
Bookworm.... We haven't completely ruled out university of Miami and should go see it. We live further north and are nervous about the crime, congestion, and though it may seem silly...all that sun. Our family has a history of skin cancer.
Any other suggestions for schools to help develop her list? While we would prefer east coast for travel, she is open to other areas of the country provided the size of school and area around it is dynamic.
Lots of good information. Agree with mom2collegekids, however, that you should clarify what "merit money" means to you and what you would consider enough. Your D's stats sound good and she will likely be attractive to many schools. You may find that the schools where she is most attractive will be safety schools that she would not automatically consider top choices. It all depends on what you consider a good deal. If you're okay having $15K to $25K lopped off the full price, you'll likely find options if you do your research (YMMV; that's a wide and off-the-cuff range). If you need to take a bigger bite out of the total cost, you will need to do MORE research to find schools that will be generous and that you and your D will find acceptable.
What is a ymmv?
If you can pay up to $20k per year, then you're essentially needing full tuition scholarships...so your $20k can pay for room, board, fees, books, transportation, and misc.
I'll find the automatic scholarship thread for you....
edited...found it...
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/financial-aid-scholarships/848226-important-links-automatic-guaranteed-merit-scholarships.html?highlight=automatic+scholarships
I strongly suggest that you sit down with your D and fully explain what your budget is and what she needs to get...essentially full tuition scholarships...which aren't largely found. There are some, but they may not be at the schools that she's thinking of.
You really ought to look at that merit aid thread; it's gold.
If you're looking for STEM programs that are innovative and encouraging to women, look at the all-women schools (Mt. Holyoke I think is known for science, not sure about Smith; but merit at the levels you're looking at are unlikely to be there). Case Western is known for good aid. You may also find that a school such as Rose-Hulman (dominantly male, to the tune of 80/20 male/female ratio) might be trying to lure more women. That's in Indiana, so may not be geographically desirable. You may find that your D is highly desirable at some of the master's-level schools (what U.S. News calls "regional universities"); these are good schools that are a little less selective but have a wide range of programs and may be willing to pay bucks for top students (I don't know; worth checking out).
uab does have marine biology concentration
UAB - Marine Biology Track
it is an urban campus.. but is all together around a green area..not spread all over town.. but it is downtown in the city. she definitely qualifies for the blazer elite. and could try for biology scholars (paid selective program) to bring cost down even more.
UA is in Tuscaloosa... about 30K students. wonderful school also
They do have a good science program, too.
As far as an all womens school, that just doesnt interest her.
I will check out the link, case western and rose hulman.
Thanks for the info!
My cousin's son just got a $28k scholarship from Santa Clara for stats a little bit (not much) better than your D's.
Tuition is about $40k now (COA about $58k), so that's a $30k difference which might be made up with a student loan and some summer work contribution from your D and your $20k.