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AP Tests
hornetguy
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OK, so the registration for AP tests will be coming soon. My question to cadets is: Should I take them if I get in? I know about validating, but what is worth validating (I plan on validating Biology and Chemistry) and should we? Will it make things more difficult being ahead of fellow classmates or will most be doing that? Any input will help a lot! Thanks!
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hmm... my parents would appreciate saving literally hundreds of dollars on the AP tests...
The AP exams aren't all that expensive (think of the tuition dollars saved) and are a great way to get more college-level test experience. Even with a 5 in an AP exam, you won't necessarily validate a class at any service academy. In addition you find out how you stack up against everyone in the country who is also taking the exams. And being able to add "AP Scholar" or "AP Scholar with Distinction" to your resume can't hurt.
Anyone who knows me from these boards will know that I never "tell" any student what to do. In this case I urge you to take the AP exams.
But I was also thinking... you have to be there for four years, but you also only get to be there for four years. Like, what if you have a very tough major and want to take fewer classes each semester?? I know the way they plan it you are quite overloaded compared to a normal college. Might it be better to not have to take those history classes that you took AP? My element leader from summer seminar suggested getting out of as much as you can. hmm... this is interesting.
I was fortunate enough to validate both semesters of calculus and chemistry and i cant tell you how many people come up to me and say how much they regretted not getting out of those classes. Chemistry is one class that absolutely ruins people's grades and it is much easier to test out of it than it is to get an A in the class.
For those of you worried about losing some of the knowledge from previous courses, dont. I have a very strong foundation on both calc and chem because everyone came to me for help with tutoring. Tutoring everyone else is almost better than taking the class because in order to teach someone else, you must have the understanding yourself and it really drives the info into you.
As for what classes you should try to validate, History is almost impossible. I had a 5 on AP Euro and a very good understanding of the US hist and they didnt even consider me. Calc and chem on the other hand, if you do well on the placement tests during basic, and yes they are worth studying for, they are easy to validate. The same is true for physics, Comp sci and if you do well in Bio that one is easy to get out of as well. And if you absolutely hate writing papers as i do, I STRONGLY reccomend taking the AP english and Lit exams. I wish i could have gotten out of those papers.
Thats all i have, but i will be around here until the 4th of Jan, so if you have any more questions just put them up and Id be happy to answer them. Good luck to all of you!
A suggestion I have is to check with the Academy and see which AP classes they do accept credit from. The list of classes they do this for is very limited and I don't know them off the top of my head.
Getting a few classes out of the way with won't hurt at all. There are a ton of classes you'll still need to take here, so don't expect that getting AP credit will get you way ahead of your classmates and cut down drastically on the number of credits you'll take each semester. There is a certain number of resident semester hours each cadet needs to have, minimum credits that need to be taken each semester, and only certain classes you can get credit for, as I said.
Not taking AP tests and/or getting high enough scores on them won't kill you at the Academy, but even getting one or two out of the way will help a little.
Even taking AP or any sort of advanced classes in high school will help you at the Academy, since you've already been exposed to certain materials before going there. Sometimes things are easier to understand the second time around.
Also keep in mind that there will be placement tests during BCT that can allow you to validate some classes.
I took 7 AP classes in high school and didn't take any of the tests. In retrospect, I probably should have, but the $76 apiece seemed like too much at the time. None of the credits I took at the year of community college before I went to the Academy tranferred either. My first year academically didn't go so well, but I don't attribute any of it to not coming in with tranfer/validation credits; instead it was due to getting used to the whole "Academy experince." (I did validate into Calc 3 from the placement test I took in BCT. On a side note, if you're a non-technical major, you don't need to take any math beyond Calc 2, with the exception of statistics.)
If you want to know how the academic schedule is set up, I'll explain it to you, hopefully in the least confusing manner possible.
We have M-days and T-days. The first day of each semester is an M-day, the 2nd a T-day, the 3rd an M-day, and so on. This means that some weeks you have 3 M-days and 2 T-days and others you have 2 M-days and 3 T-days. There are 42 lessons in each class per semester, meaning you go to a total of 42 M-days and 42 T-days.
Each day is divided into 7 50-minute academic periods. There's breakfast (which is sometimes optional), 4 periods, mandatory lunch, commandant's time (during which there are meetings, etc.), then 3 more periods. After that are sometimes intramurals (depending on when during the year it is); dinner's optional.
All your classes will be on either M-days or T-days, so you only have each class every other day (with the very rare exception of some language classes), meaning 2-3 times a week. Some classes last 2 periods, but most are only one. Chemistry and some other science classes are two periods, for example. P.E. is also 2 periods since there's extra transit time and changing time built in, but it only lasts for 8 lessons. Your first year here, in particular, you will be out of class during the academic day than you will be in class. For instance, assume you have 5 classes plus P.E. (typical for your first semester). You'll have classes on M and T days and you'll probably be spread out throughout the days. So a typical schedule might be that on M-days you have periods 1, 2, and 5, and on T days you have period 1 & 2 for chem, 3 & 4 for P.E. during the lessons you have it, and period 6. This means that on M-days, you're only in school for about 3 hours and our for 4, and on T-days, you're in school for 3 + 2 for P.E. and out for either 4 or 2 hours.
During your free periods you can study. If you're back in your squadron, as opposed to going to the library, you have to keep your door to your room open, can't lay down/sleep, etc.
The academic schedule doesn't seem too bad, though, does it? SO much free time! Don't be surprised, however, if you find yourself sitting down in your room to surf the net for a while and then wonder where all your times goes. There are all kinds of work ethics here, especially when it comes to school work. Things do get more busy as times goes on, although on the bright side, you should learn how to manage your time better here over time too. If you're thinking, "That'll never be me!" be careful. Even the people who fail out of here for academics had around a 4.0 in high school.
Hopefully I'll make it to enjoy it next year too
Regardless of how much you validate, you unfortunately do not get a study period sorry.
However, by validating your core freshman classes you make it possible to take fewer classes during your majors courses junior and senior year which are definately harder than your core classes. Personally id rather have more time later than earlier. Especially since as a freshman you have a lot more free time to do homework since you cant watch movies, or listen to music or leave very much. So i suggest having a tougher load freshman year.
I dont know the policy on economics validation because my school didnt offer that one, but im sure you could call someone at the academy admissions or academics office and they could help you. Government is not possible to be validated so i wouldnt bother with that one. The closest thing to government is Law 220 which you cant even validate the final for.
Statistics is another one that is not the same as the high school version and again, cant be validated.
I recommend finishing the classes but the only use for the test is just more practice on college level tests.
Good luck getting in next year. 2010 will be an RTB class.
Thanks
Speaking of probation, you don't want to get on it. My roomate is (he's likely to get kicked out for academics) and among other things, he can never leave. Not being allowed to get off base is worse than you might think. You know your life sucks when you are taking your date to Fairchild Hall...