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Give Your Input on the College Preparation Process & Win a FREE Amazon Gift Card!
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We also are big fans of likely letters, as they help eliminate stress senior year.
We like the improvements to school's websites - there is more and more meaningful information on them each year.
Opportunities -
College tours - hire more tour guides - the sessions can mean a lot more when there are max 35-40 kids as opposed to 150+ students.
Pre-admit interviews - I know they like to keep alumni involved, but these are more helpful to applicants when the interviewer is not 30-40 years removed from the college.
Information sessions - some schools can really improve here by keeping the information about what the student should do to help themselves gain admission, and less about information that is covered again and again on the tours.
We all know that MIT students have high test scores, and high HS grades. But as more and more schools do not REQUIRE standardized test scores, there seem to be many CDSs with essentially no legitimate data in this regard. Schools should be providing at least ONE of the data categories (SAT/ACT scores, HS rank, or HS GPA) for 100% of its students. If only 35% of students submitted SAT/ACT scores because the school doesn't require them for admission, and only 26% of the students reported HS rank, the data is certainly biased and possibly worthless. When these schools then fail to provide HS GPA information (they all require a HS transcript for admission, don't they?), we're left wondering if it's data the school doesn't want to publish.
Unfortunately, regardless of what percentage of students a school's SAT score range is based on (20%, 30%, 40%, 90%) that data is repeated over and over by the school and other 'college data' sites as being a true characteristic of that school's student body, and something that can be compared school-to-school. It may very well be neither.
I guess my biggest complaint about the college prep/admissions process is that high school isn't about learning anymore- it's so much more about just earning that damn grade. Maybe that's a complaint on our education system more than anything, but it's just so damn frustrating that taking classes that actually stimulate my personal interests (anatomy, medical terminology, wildlife bio) etc etc are looked down upon by colleges just because they're considered "lighter" and you could potentially be taking a "harder" AP class instead. I took 4 AP classes this year. 2 of those (environmental and us history) I pretty have much no interest in whatsoever. Why did I take them? Because I gave into this system and wanted it to look good on my transcript and boost my GPA. Luckily I genuinely enjoyed AP Chemistry or that would have been unbearable. I guess my beef is that high school is just a training camp for college essentially, and no one actually *learns* anything per say because they're so much more involved in getting that precious letter A grade. I don't know, I'll get off my soapbox now... I did write an AP English Lang paper on this topic though :-)
Another issue I have is the amount of stress they put on ECs. Not everyone has access to doing tons of prestigious ECs, and students are penalized for not having them if they don't. IMO, if a student has great ECs, there should be a spot to mention them on apps... but they shouldn't be penalized for not having them per say. The essay should be what separates you from your stats, not necessarily your ECs. Anyone can spend tons of money investing in a sport. :-) (again, not to knock anyone down who has great ECs.... that's amazing! but not everyone has the resources to do that)
Don't even get me started on how much college costs- I could write a whole nother essay on that. But not gonna lie, the college admissions process is very exciting for me and I'm stoked to get started soon. :-) I'm a current junior.
Don't, DO NOT wait until senior year to begin essays, student resumes, search for/requests of recommenders. Have that stuff locked down the summer after junior year.
As tempting as it may be for parents to "run" the show, we must not. If the kid has ownership, they will be more invested in the literal and metaphorical sense.
TALK NUMBERS EARLY AND OFTEN. What is affordable, what is not. Actual, hard numbers of what parents can contribute, not a hazy "we'll make it work".
Take breaks from the process where the words "college" "application" etc. are banned. Talk about anything else.
Don't let your child (and don't you) be seduced by what other kids are doing, or where they're applying. It's a one-way ticket to heartbreak and stress.
I hate when top universities and rather useless expensive programs begin spamming. For example, one of my friends keeps on getting stuff from a Top 20 school and they're wasting application money thinking they're guaranteed a full scholarship to the Harvard University at Yale Medical School of Law and Aeronautics when his stats just aren't that good. It's like they're taking taxing high hopes and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. It's like one of those salesmen at Best Buy who keeps on pushing some expensive gadget in your face.
In all seriousness though, i just finished applying to colleges and honestly this has been one of the MOST stressful periods of my life so far. My guidance counselor was ABSOLUTELY NO HELP whatsoever. My parents have never been to college nor do I have an older sibling so basically during this entire process I had to do everything myself, which was the worst since I had no clue what I was doing (I did everything, resumes, applications, essays, scholarships, etc., last minute and was so so late on my financial aid deadlines). I wished that there had been some sort of guidance to help me with the process that would have elevated some of the stress. DO NOT DO EVERYTHING LAST MINUTE AND ACTUALLY DO RESEARCH.
I also agree with the ECs stuff early posters have mentioned. I barely had any ECs that I was even interested in and didn't have any notable leadership positions. I have friends who were in a club and ran for leadership positions just so that they could put it on their resumes even though they had never actually participated in club activities beforehand. Everyone became obsessed with improving their resumes and ECs that even I (a pretty big underachiever in terms of ECs) started to worry about it too. On the same note, this applies to most of the courses I took in high school too, most of them being of no interest to me. I wanted to drop down to a lower level English but my guidance counselor advised me not too because it "would look too weird on my application" (I really hate English).
Also, why is applying so god damn expensive? You have the application fees then you have to pay to send SAT/ACT scores and pay for the CSS profile (the irony). The amount of money I've spent just applying is ridiculous.
Unrelated but I hate how EVERYBODY just won't SHUT UP about colleges during this time period. The last few months I've only heard "where did you apply to", "what are you majoring in", "did you hear back from any colleges yet", and "where are you going." It literally became everyone's default topic of conversation and I was so sick of talking about colleges. Everyone is just so OBSESSED with colleges.
Colleges also need to stop emailing me. I don't care if you've extended the application deadline or increased your scholarship money. STOP EMAILING ME.
Sorry this was so long and slightly unrelated. I just wanted to rant about the admissions process tbh.
That being said, I also had several colleges call me (some multiple times) after being admitted to ask if I had questions, and that was kind of uncomfortable. I appreciate the sentiment of reaching out to students, but it felt pushy. That also might be because I just don't like phone calls. Who knows.
I liked receiving viewbooks in the mail; I found them fun to look at, even if I had no interest in the school. Random letters and all got recycled almost immediately. Most emails I deleted right away. It's kind of annoying that I'm still receiving them from places I haven't even applied to.
2) PLEASE look up individual colleges' website for basic information
3) don't waste time on chancing others
4) Make sure to discuss about money issues with your parents
5) If your counselor proves to be very not helping, then you are on your own.
6) Make your own EC if possible.
7) Take tests at least by Junior year.
For international students, please don't rely on your immigrant community for the "information"They tend to be inaccurate/outdated and/or completely the opposite of the truth. Seek help from professionals(like certain posters in CC) and strategically plan for colleges. Don't expect colleges to give you money. Make back up plans. Don't pursue prestige because of your friends/families or you will end up nowhere.
For colleges, stop spamming with your "you are what we seek!" mails. You are giving false hopes to kids who aren't that good, and you are wasting good amount of trees!
I like how some colleges offer refunds on new student conferences if you're not attending. They're all in the hundred ranges and it hurts if you're still torn between choosing colleges and you have to reserve before you get booted.
The ideal: colleges digitize the paperwork. All of it. Save trees.
And for the application process itself, it was tough keeping track of what college wanted what. And the shelling out extra money for application fees and sending SAT scores... hated that. I hear that you DON'T play those fees in Europe. My jaw dropped. I didn't even try doing my CSS because I stuck with the state public unis. Look for fee waivers. Seriously. Use your SAT waivers. Use the comm app waivers.
Don't feel inferior that you're going to a local unis while others are going out of state. Focus on what you have. It takes a world of stress off.
I wish I had wrote my essays early on in the year. I could then finesse it to my liking during the rest of the school year. It doesn't need to be a complete concept, just a rough working. Never ever ever ever ever do anything at the last second. Not only does it make it hard for you, it takes a toll on your guidance counselor too.
A big impression on D over the other options that did not have that kind of social presence. I do think the connection she had with them via the blog postings had something to do with why they came down to top 2.
Gap year: best decision DS ever made.
Applying to fewer schools, but ones that he had visited, loved, were strong in his major, and good fits for merit aid: second best decision DS ever made.