@intparent: Impressive that you are aware, and make inquiry about, the overall sources of funding at a college. I know that would feel rather "in your face" to me to ask, but also know that knowing is valuable. So, thank you for that. Harvey Mudd, a campus my daughter spent time on as a middle schooler for women-in-engineering programs where she was, unfortunately, the only middle schooler, is one that does not appeal to her for the college years.
@ScaredNJDad: The World Series not being in my cultural milieu, I could not care about such a metric, and would actually go the other direction from a demographic where that was a key factor in campus community bonding. Lehigh and Lafayette fall way outside of our wheel house for where my daughter would feel herself among like-minded, strongly academic, cultured kids. I must say, guiding her to look at an LAC, where it is not part of a university system (someone mentioned Columbia College in NYC) has been less than a chore, but more work than I would have thought, considering the people who raised her. And, yes, @merc81, it is precisely because she would say it does not matter that her college years make her instantly employable, Swarthmore is a greater draw.
@circuitrider: Pomona actually makes a point to not fill its campus with Californians, and to draw from the vast array of students from across the States and the globe. They are proud of that, so that the numbers in that regard might reflect your statement I am not surprised. That stat is, also, definitely not a draw
@merc81: Football and hockey? Can't care. But I see that you've made mention of sports and sporting quite often, so that must be a desirable aspect for you. Sports across the board are appealing to my daughter, and a part of her life, but closer to those individual sports that the kids who responded to surveys on College Niche talk about as being present at Swarthmore. So again, we're cool. On the whole, I had to wonder how giddy you were being in this thread, even while delineating key points of differencesand similitude between Swat and other places. I found the "less collegiate" comment one of interest, and I will definitely look further into it. Though I think I processed it from the perspective of "collegial." That is an important aspect of her life, and how she finds "place," considering people often don't expect her to match them point for point when it comes to academic or the outdoors experience. She walked the campus with her father, but toured other LACs in the consortium. We are double-dipping so to speak on the touring, with two children out of the door back-to-back. So thanks for the breadth and scope this thread has taken on.
@am61517: All things considered, I think our paths in life have crossed, and I want to say thanks for sticking up for Swarthmore. It was the one school my husband and I both thought she should deeply consider, and she kept it on her list.
To OP: Bowdoin is a great place. Anyone who knows what these schools are, will know Bowdoin when you present yourself as a graduate. The Offer of the College at Bowdoin won me over when we first began looking at colleges a few years ago. You could do worse. Good luck to you.
I have to say that as I review employee evaluations, while trying to figure out how to watch both the Notre Dame game and the fourth game of World Series tonight, your directive really caught my attention.
It is quite charming. Just keep one thing in mind. As your child does prepares for a career, there is a very good chance the person writing his or her evaluation will be someone that didn't even get into Lehigh but went to Rutgers, Penn State or Seton Hall.
Just so you know, arrogance like that is not flattering.
@ScaredNJDad With a D is currently loving her experience at Lafayette (a college clearly below wating2exhanle) and my H and S graduates of Notre Dame (guess what I'll be doing tonight?) you had me laughing. And thank you for the reminder that where one goes to college is not the defining thing in determine who will be successful in life and who will not.
@Waiting2exhale You are not the OP on this thread and as such there is no need to send replies to people who commented in reply to the OP that are related to your particular interests, desires etc. If you want to start a thread on colleges and universities that would be appropriate to your situation feel free to do so. The side note to the OP that you could "do worse" than Bowdin is not particularly gracious -- the fact is that Bowdin is a fantastic college and may in fact be the perfect fit for the OP.
Haha, no need to get uptight, guys! This is purely an informational discussion. Please try to refrain from making offensive comments!!
Also, everyone has a school (or schools) that is/are well fit for them personally, so there is no need to be overtly forthright and act like a certain school is below you because it is not ranked in the top 10 according to US News or whatever. For all you know, that school can be the perfect one for someone else.
If you guys are going to continue to posting about LACs, I'd be happy to listen/participate but if you are going to downgrade everyone else, I kindly suggest you make your own post.
@happy1: You could do worse is to say, there are many great things about Bowdoin, and you'd be choosing a great place to choose it. Not that "it is near the bottom, but not the very bottom." I meant it when I said Bowdoin is a great place. Perhaps it is a usage thing.
Who said anything about those from Lafayette and Lehigh doing well or not? It was not I. Nor was a reminder needed, as ScaredNJDad intimated that those from Lafayette and Lehigh would, in fact, place well among the employed - even before Swatties.
@ScaredNJDad: Where my daughter and I see her "fit" being is not either of those places. Doesn't mean one of the other kids won't look; doesn't mean one of the other kids isn't in contact with admissions at one of those schools. Interesting that you feel the way you do about the early entrant into the work world, and who may be writing the evaluations. I know others from the Mid-West who have a completely different view of what their degrees have meant. The arguments we've had where I am defending the strength of the degree, no matter where it came from, the industriousness and ability to form connections in the work world fall on deaf ears for those who view graduates from the eastern seaboard as inherently higher in stature. Some regional thing, I guess.
And, yes, teenagers can be arrogant. As she mingles, she will reassess; as she reassesses, she will grow.
Um... Trying again. This thread is just about what LACs people like and why. Not fit for your kid. Another thread to discuss that would be a good idea.
To that end, Bates is also a great school. The range of interests featured in their viewbook a few years ago were amazing and inspiring. The programs of study that were put together by some of these students were unique and beyond interdisciplinary. Were I to do it all over, I might choose to put Bates on my list, and attend if accepted. They are also among schools that have decided the standardized tests that students take are simply not to be used in determining who will be accepted into their college. I deeply respect that, because they are looking to assess the nature and fit of their institution to the sense they get of the students who apply.
@circuitrider: Pomona actually makes a point to not fill its campus with Californians, and to draw from the vast array of students from across the States and the globe. They are proud of that, so that the numbers in that regard might reflect your statement I am not surprised. That stat is, also, definitely not a draw
I dunno, W2E. A lot of people have never seen a Californian outside of capivity.
@ScaredNJDad (referring to post #38), the good news is that there are many different college options available to fit the differing ambitions of applicants. If an applicant's desire is to potentially become an academic, Nobel Prize winning scientist, or left leaning policy wonk there are few better alternatives than Swarthmore. If their hope is to become an investment banker there are probably better options (if only because the investment banks tend to predominantly choose other schools for on-campus interviews).
I don't know Lafayette well enough to comment on its strengths, but I am certain there are many and have no doubt they are effective in placing their students in jobs.
I think it's pretty impossible to separate what one considers one's "favorite" liberal arts college from one's or one's kids particular interests and tastes. That being said, I think I've visited 17 LACs now between my D and my S's searches, and I have a special fondness for Carleton. Superb sciences (arguably the strongest among LAC's, excluding places like Harvey Mudd), outstanding teaching even relative to peer institutions (check out their ratemyprofessor scores), a studious and committed student body that has a quirky, fun-loving, non-competitive, unpretentious vibe. My D came within a hair's breadth of going there, and while she's had a great experience where she ended up (Olin), I'm sure she would have loved it.
@rayrick Thank you for that! Carleton is one of the choices that I'm considering. Can you perhaps tell me more about what the environment/campus community is like? Do students have a lot of activities to bond over? Are they willing to help out visiting prospies, parents, etc? Any info about Carleton would be helpful.
Also, what are some of the other LACs you have visited?
Awesome town-gown relations; for example, people in the town have baked students cookies during finals.
Unusual emphasis on the honor code (along with Haverford) that goes along with a lot more student freedom and trust on campus than usual.
Nearby lake campus lets students participate in sports like water skiing
Good financial aid and loan-free for all students
I'm also quite fond of Haverford and Bowdoin, the only LACs I might choose over my alma mater were I to do college all over again.
I also like/admire Deep Springs, Swarthmore, Knox, Lewis & Clark, Rhodes, the College of the Atlantic, Allegheny, Earlham, Wesleyan, and (though my Y chromosome disqualifies me) Agnes Scott.
@blourring: Carleton is one of those schools that will keep in touch with you once you make initial contact. They will ask if you're still interested if you've been out of touch for a while, and would love to see that you'd like to visit them. I say reach out to them if you're interested.
While you're waiting on rayrick, the one thing I remember the Carleton rep saying to a group a few years ago is that Ultimate Frisbee is like a major past time there, as well as (virtually? actually?) being a varsity sport. They take extremely bright kids who can walk away from narrowly self-identifying as top-scorer this and top-scorer that. Also, I believe the kids from this school go on to earn a Ph.D. within ten years after graduation at a higher rate than any other LAC in the nation.
Yep, concur with everything @Waiting2exhale said. I'm kind of an Ultimate fanatic, so there's another reason Carleton holds a special place in my heart.
The thing that struck me about the student body at Carleton is the students seemed very happy and friendly. Random smiles, greetings, offers of help, etc. They call it "Minnesota nice", and it seems to be a real thing. There's also a subtle quality that makes it feel just a little different than its Northeast brethren...not sure what to call it... earthiness? Relaxedness? Lack of pretension? Maybe it's the higher percentage of public school kids, or more midwesterners? D went to a New England prep school and never felt truly comfortable there. She did two overnights at Carleton (one in the fall and again during accepted students days when she was agonizing over her final three choices) and felt totally at home.
As far as other schools we've visited, like I said, it's a long list. The truth is, I liked virtually all of them. Considering just LACs D applied to, we saw Williams, Middlebury, Bowdoin and Carleton, and there wasn't a bad apple in the bunch. She probably would have thrived at any of them. We went to Davidson, too, and like @warblersrule said, it seemed like a terrific school. Mainly got crossed off the list because the only dance studio was in the the basement of the gym and had no windows (sometimes it's the little things...)
Just in the Minnesota/Iowa area, we also saw Macalester, St. Olaf and Grinnell. Liked all of them, too! For both of my kids, it's helped to have a few specific areas of interest where they were looking for strength, because, otherwise, it's awfully hard to narrow down the field. There's a lot of great schools out there.
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@intparent: Impressive that you are aware, and make inquiry about, the overall sources of funding at a college. I know that would feel rather "in your face" to me to ask, but also know that knowing is valuable. So, thank you for that. Harvey Mudd, a campus my daughter spent time on as a middle schooler for women-in-engineering programs where she was, unfortunately, the only middle schooler, is one that does not appeal to her for the college years.
@ScaredNJDad: The World Series not being in my cultural milieu, I could not care about such a metric, and would actually go the other direction from a demographic where that was a key factor in campus community bonding. Lehigh and Lafayette fall way outside of our wheel house for where my daughter would feel herself among like-minded, strongly academic, cultured kids. I must say, guiding her to look at an LAC, where it is not part of a university system (someone mentioned Columbia College in NYC) has been less than a chore, but more work than I would have thought, considering the people who raised her. And, yes, @merc81, it is precisely because she would say it does not matter that her college years make her instantly employable, Swarthmore is a greater draw.
@circuitrider: Pomona actually makes a point to not fill its campus with Californians, and to draw from the vast array of students from across the States and the globe. They are proud of that, so that the numbers in that regard might reflect your statement I am not surprised. That stat is, also, definitely not a draw
@merc81: Football and hockey? Can't care. But I see that you've made mention of sports and sporting quite often, so that must be a desirable aspect for you. Sports across the board are appealing to my daughter, and a part of her life, but closer to those individual sports that the kids who responded to surveys on College Niche talk about as being present at Swarthmore. So again, we're cool. On the whole, I had to wonder how giddy you were being in this thread, even while delineating key points of differencesand similitude between Swat and other places. I found the "less collegiate" comment one of interest, and I will definitely look further into it. Though I think I processed it from the perspective of "collegial." That is an important aspect of her life, and how she finds "place," considering people often don't expect her to match them point for point when it comes to academic or the outdoors experience. She walked the campus with her father, but toured other LACs in the consortium. We are double-dipping so to speak on the touring, with two children out of the door back-to-back. So thanks for the breadth and scope this thread has taken on.
@am61517: All things considered, I think our paths in life have crossed, and I want to say thanks for sticking up for Swarthmore. It was the one school my husband and I both thought she should deeply consider, and she kept it on her list.
To OP: Bowdoin is a great place. Anyone who knows what these schools are, will know Bowdoin when you present yourself as a graduate. The Offer of the College at Bowdoin won me over when we first began looking at colleges a few years ago. You could do worse. Good luck to you.
I have to say that as I review employee evaluations, while trying to figure out how to watch both the Notre Dame game and the fourth game of World Series tonight, your directive really caught my attention.
It is quite charming. Just keep one thing in mind. As your child does prepares for a career, there is a very good chance the person writing his or her evaluation will be someone that didn't even get into Lehigh but went to Rutgers, Penn State or Seton Hall.
Just so you know, arrogance like that is not flattering.
@Waiting2exhale You are not the OP on this thread and as such there is no need to send replies to people who commented in reply to the OP that are related to your particular interests, desires etc. If you want to start a thread on colleges and universities that would be appropriate to your situation feel free to do so. The side note to the OP that you could "do worse" than Bowdin is not particularly gracious -- the fact is that Bowdin is a fantastic college and may in fact be the perfect fit for the OP.
Also, everyone has a school (or schools) that is/are well fit for them personally, so there is no need to be overtly forthright and act like a certain school is below you because it is not ranked in the top 10 according to US News or whatever. For all you know, that school can be the perfect one for someone else.
Who said anything about those from Lafayette and Lehigh doing well or not? It was not I. Nor was a reminder needed, as ScaredNJDad intimated that those from Lafayette and Lehigh would, in fact, place well among the employed - even before Swatties.
@ScaredNJDad: Where my daughter and I see her "fit" being is not either of those places. Doesn't mean one of the other kids won't look; doesn't mean one of the other kids isn't in contact with admissions at one of those schools. Interesting that you feel the way you do about the early entrant into the work world, and who may be writing the evaluations. I know others from the Mid-West who have a completely different view of what their degrees have meant. The arguments we've had where I am defending the strength of the degree, no matter where it came from, the industriousness and ability to form connections in the work world fall on deaf ears for those who view graduates from the eastern seaboard as inherently higher in stature. Some regional thing, I guess.
And, yes, teenagers can be arrogant. As she mingles, she will reassess; as she reassesses, she will grow.
To that end, Bates is also a great school. The range of interests featured in their viewbook a few years ago were amazing and inspiring. The programs of study that were put together by some of these students were unique and beyond interdisciplinary. Were I to do it all over, I might choose to put Bates on my list, and attend if accepted. They are also among schools that have decided the standardized tests that students take are simply not to be used in determining who will be accepted into their college. I deeply respect that, because they are looking to assess the nature and fit of their institution to the sense they get of the students who apply.
I dunno, W2E. A lot of people have never seen a Californian outside of capivity.
I don't know Lafayette well enough to comment on its strengths, but I am certain there are many and have no doubt they are effective in placing their students in jobs.
Also, what are some of the other LACs you have visited?
I'm also quite fond of Haverford and Bowdoin, the only LACs I might choose over my alma mater were I to do college all over again.
I also like/admire Deep Springs, Swarthmore, Knox, Lewis & Clark, Rhodes, the College of the Atlantic, Allegheny, Earlham, Wesleyan, and (though my Y chromosome disqualifies me) Agnes Scott.
While you're waiting on rayrick, the one thing I remember the Carleton rep saying to a group a few years ago is that Ultimate Frisbee is like a major past time there, as well as (virtually? actually?) being a varsity sport. They take extremely bright kids who can walk away from narrowly self-identifying as top-scorer this and top-scorer that. Also, I believe the kids from this school go on to earn a Ph.D. within ten years after graduation at a higher rate than any other LAC in the nation.
The thing that struck me about the student body at Carleton is the students seemed very happy and friendly. Random smiles, greetings, offers of help, etc. They call it "Minnesota nice", and it seems to be a real thing. There's also a subtle quality that makes it feel just a little different than its Northeast brethren...not sure what to call it... earthiness? Relaxedness? Lack of pretension? Maybe it's the higher percentage of public school kids, or more midwesterners? D went to a New England prep school and never felt truly comfortable there. She did two overnights at Carleton (one in the fall and again during accepted students days when she was agonizing over her final three choices) and felt totally at home.
As far as other schools we've visited, like I said, it's a long list. The truth is, I liked virtually all of them. Considering just LACs D applied to, we saw Williams, Middlebury, Bowdoin and Carleton, and there wasn't a bad apple in the bunch. She probably would have thrived at any of them. We went to Davidson, too, and like @warblersrule said, it seemed like a terrific school. Mainly got crossed off the list because the only dance studio was in the the basement of the gym and had no windows (sometimes it's the little things...)
Just in the Minnesota/Iowa area, we also saw Macalester, St. Olaf and Grinnell. Liked all of them, too! For both of my kids, it's helped to have a few specific areas of interest where they were looking for strength, because, otherwise, it's awfully hard to narrow down the field. There's a lot of great schools out there.