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U Washington or UT-Austin for business

prayforthebestprayforthebest Registered User Posts: 40 Junior Member
Hi guys, I'm an international high school student studying in NY.
I want to apply to only one of the universities above since I really don't have the energy to apply to both. (Even though they are wonderful schools) I have a plenty of other reach/high target schools.

I know that UT ranks much higher in business than does UW. but I'm really not sure about the internship/job opportunities in business related fields in Austin/Seattle. I heard that most Seattle is mostly tech-reliant. And since I'm an international, I hope my company can get me a green card. So does anyone know in which city/school is it easier to get a job in business (finance or accounting)? And which is easier for me to get the green card through work experience? Or which one is easier for me to get into top-notch business schools (Stanford, Harvard, Wharton, UChicago, etc.) ?

Generally, when I select schools, the weather, atmosphere or community don't matter. But I have one concern for UT Austin: I know that over 90% of the students are instate! and only 2% are international. So will I be treated differently for being an international? Or is it going to be extremely tough for me to get in?

By the way, my SAT score is 2250 (CR 700, M 770, W 780), my TOEFL score is 108, and my GPA is 3.95 unweighted.

Any advice would be appreciated! ;;) :-*
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Replies to: U Washington or UT-Austin for business

  • prayforthebestprayforthebest Registered User Posts: 40 Junior Member
    Bump. Btw, the cost of attendance would not be a problem.
  • ScaredNJDadScaredNJDad Registered User Posts: 227 Junior Member
    edited October 2015
    Getting in UT for out of state is hard enough, let alone international.

    The NY and Boston areas have at least a dozen top tier business schools.

    Look more locally.
  • prayforthebestprayforthebest Registered User Posts: 40 Junior Member
    I'm picking my safety. NYU I would definitely apply. But that's about it. And those top business schools in Boston are too top to be anyone's safety, or even target. That's why I'm now down or UT and UW
  • ScaredNJDadScaredNJDad Registered User Posts: 227 Junior Member
    edited October 2015
    UT is not a safety. There are statutory limits on non-Texans.

    A better business safety for you would be schools like Richmond, Wake Forest, Villanova, Fordham, Lehigh, Bucknell, Elon, Manhattan College, Muhlenberg, Babson, Bentley.

    Use the Bloomberg rankings for undergraduate business not US News.

    I would pick a super safety plus two semi-safety schools that are such due to your high stats.

    So a great super safety is Muhlenberg and semi would be Lehigh, Villanova or Wake.
  • prayforthebestprayforthebest Registered User Posts: 40 Junior Member
    Thanks. I meant using UT as my semi-safety. I never knew it was so competitive. My super safety would be stony brook. I guess if I really go there I would just study applied math and go to business school later. But how is UT going to select international students if there are limits? What's their criteria? I heard they automatically admits students in the top 8%, doesn't this mean UT is a very stats reliant school?

    And to be honest, I don't care that much about the undergrad rankings. I care more about the grad rankings and the overall prestige. I'm ok with majoring in math as an undergrad and getting a MBA later.

    Btw, do you know anything about UW at Seattle?
  • prayforthebestprayforthebest Registered User Posts: 40 Junior Member
    Btw, I'm not thinking about liberal arts colleges, thanks for your advice
  • paul2752paul2752 Registered User Posts: 5,116 Senior Member
    "I hope my company can get me a green card"
    Its a lengthy, expensive, and difficult process. Don't count on getting green card from such pathway. It's not even guaranteed that you will get job after the school.

    I don't know about NYU, but UT is VERY HARD to get into as OOS, and the other schools you listed are also top notch schools, so it's ridiculous to say: which one is easier? All those business schools are amazing, so its up to you how to make the best of it,.

    Which visa are you on? If you are on F visa, then you won't get any financial aid from UT, assuming you need any. For NYU, you will get need based aid only for a year, and then you are on your own.

    in short, being international sucks in term of admission. Top notch schools limit no. of international students for obvious reasons.
  • boolaHIboolaHI Registered User Posts: 1,956 Senior Member
    UT is a great school and area, but I think Seattle has more business opportunities. First, it's metro area is much larger than Austin (about 3.3 mil to 1.7 mil) and as such there is much more attendant businesses. While certainly a major hub for tech, there are no shortage of accounting and financial firms.
  • ScaredNJDadScaredNJDad Registered User Posts: 227 Junior Member
    edited November 2015
    @prayforthebest UT is not a semi safety. It has auto admit for certain Texas students and capped out of state students. Austin is a great city. Lots to do relatively low cost of living. The overall prestige would be similar to Rutgers, U Mass, U Conn.

    University of Washington is a prominent science, engineering and health sciences school at the grad level. Seattle is a pretty terrific city although the cost of living is very high. Similar prestige to the state schools named above.

    Both of these would have lower overall prestige than Wake Forest, Richmond, Villanova, Lehigh or Bucknell.
  • GMTplus7GMTplus7 Registered User Posts: 14,567 Senior Member
    edited November 2015
    But I have one concern for UT Austin: I know that over 90% of the students are instate! and only 2% are international.
    The 2% int'l is telling you that the school admits very few int'ls.

    So does anyone know in which city/school is it easier to get a job in business (finance or accounting)? And which is easier for me to get the green card through work experience?
    There's no shortage of US citizens graduating w business/finance/accounting degrees, so there's no compelling reason for work visas to be given to foreigners with an undergraduate degree in those majors and no work experience.

  • LBad96LBad96 Registered User Posts: 3,499 Senior Member
    @ScaredNJDad UT Austin and UWashington are certainly better than Rutgers and UMass. Texas and UW are on par with UConn, though.
  • cmsjmtcmsjmt Registered User Posts: 298 Junior Member
    UW has a very urban campus, which comes with its own problems. The city of Seattle has gone to the dogs in recent years thanks to successive uber liberal mayors. Now even as you drive into Seattle you can see tent cities lining the freeway. Needless to say crime has gone up. There are reports of tourists who get beat up and mugged in popular areas in the city. The U district where the campus is located is pretty run down and dicey. Public transportation is practically non-existent. It's also gotten very expensive especially in housing cost. The weather is cold and rainy 10 months of the year. I have been to Austin and it is a much nicer college town with much nicer weather. Also the tuition and living expenses are a lot lower in Texas.
  • UWfromCAUWfromCA Registered User Posts: 1,325 Senior Member
    I live in California but visited Seattle and UW for a conference last month. NYU and Northeastern are examples of "very urban" campuses. UW is an expansive park like setting, mostly surrounded by suburban residential areas (it's true that houses in the general vicinity of UW are expensive, especially the ones with water frontage and boat docks) with plentiful public transportation and lots of restaurants, shopping and nature walks/trails all within walking distance. The weather was gorgeous while I was there, with the trees all over campus displaying their fall colors.

    As in every city, I'm sure there are some unsavory characters around, and I did see quite a few homeless (sadly) and nouveau hippie types, but no more than what I see in SF, SB, LA or SD.

    Either cmsjmt has not visited UW in a while or is a Seattle native doing his or her part to control the population growth up there (the "cold and rainy 10 months of the year" is a dead giveaway).
  • wayneandgarthwayneandgarth Registered User Posts: 1,805 Senior Member
    edited November 2015
    Right - from my perspective Seattle is mild and never really cold. It is overcast a decent amount but not an unusual amount of rain accumulation.

    Best of all, no humidity, no mosquitoes and absolutely gorgrous with the water and mountain ranges, Douglas firs and green.

    Traffic is tough and housing is on the high side
  • juilletjuillet Super Moderator Posts: 12,707 Super Moderator
    Seattle has a lot of tech companies but tech IS business. A business is simply a company that provides goods, services, or both to people, and business as a verb is the process of transacting those goods and services. In addition to their engineers and software developers and program managers, companies like Amazon, Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and Google also have lots of accountants, finance and budget managers, business managers, marketing departments (AND HOW do we have a marketing department), etc. You can get a role as a businessperson in a tech company if you want. (We also have a lot of non-tech companies that are headquartered or have significant presences here, like REI, Nordstrom, Starbucks, Qwest Communications, T-Mobile, Bank of America, Fred Meyer, Group Health, and the Swedish hospital/health clinic chain. They all also have marketing departments, business managers, accountants, and financiers.)

    Austin is also becoming a mini-tech hub, btw.


    I agree that these are not safety schools. Also, you can work anywhere after going to one of these nationally known universities, although it is a great idea to try to make connections and get internships in a place that you might want to settle down (it works more often than most college students think about). You can get into a top business school from either of the two. So really it comes down to the things you say that don't matter - atmosphere, community, and all of those other issues - because both schools are excellent, and both will allow you to do what you want to do.

    One thing to note is that UT has a top-ranked undergraduate business program, and U.S. News puts their undergrad accounting program at #1 (and finance at #6).

    I totally disagree that UT and UW have overall lower prestige than Villanova, Lehigh, and Bucknell and I'm not sure that I'd say they have lower prestige than Richmond or Wake Forest. Prestige is such a subjective topic that it kind of depends on who you ask.


    Also, Seattle is nowhere near a crime-ridden city. By crime statistics the Seattle area is one of the safest large cities in the country - the FBI puts it at the #4 safest city. Crime is quite low here. The idea that public transit is non-existent is laughable - public transit is pretty good here compared to most U.S. localities, and either way, we definitely have better public transit than Austin, which is a super spread out Southern city that pretty much requires a car. I have friends and coworkers who live in Seattle proper without a car or who barely touch their car. (I live on the Eastside, but even I have a park and ride really close to me that will take me to different places in the city and the Eastside if I wanted.)

    The weather is rainy and grey for much of the year, but 1) it's not cold, particularly not for someone coming from the Northeast. It's in the 50s in early November, and it never really gets down below the 40s/high 30s even in January, and 2) it's not the same kind of rain Northeasterners think of when they think of rain (and I'm from the Northeast). It's more like a semi-constant drizzle. Some days it rains in the morning but not during the day. The accumulated rainfall in Seattle is actually less than that of New York and Boston, IIRC. Seattle actually ranks 44th among major U.S. cities in terms of total annual rainfall.

    Austin's weather is nicer most of the year, but in the summer it is very, very hot. Also, the tuition is about the same for an international student. But Austin's cost of living IS much lower - which can make a BIG difference in undergrad when you want to go do stuff.

    I don't have a horse in this race nor am I trying to convince you to go to UW - I think you should pick where you want to go - but I wanted to correct those misconceptions! I know as a dutiful Seattleite I'm supposed to be driving people away from the PNW but it's really an awesome place to live.
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