mamaedefamilia3444 replies23 threadsRegistered UserSenior Member
edited October 2016
^ @quietdesperation That sounds like a great strategy! Cornell sounds like a good fit and the Naviance data is also very encouraging. A price break in tuition and greater proximity to home also sounds very attractive. Good luck to your daughter!
Your commentary on your son's experience at Oberlin also has been very helpful to me as my D has submitted an application there.
Coincidentally, a family at D's school has a daughter, now a junior, at Cornell and a son who just started at Oberlin. The daughter has been extremely happy, looking forward to an update from the son.
citymama92496 replies141 threadsRegistered UserSenior Member
Sounds like everything is falling into place! Can you share what she didn't like about Hamilton and what made Cornell move to the top? Thanks so much!!
If she is open to McGill, may want to consider UBC and UofT as well. McGill is wonderful as is Montreal - I think that UBC and Vancouver fit a similar bill. Your daughter has excellent stats and the Canadian schools are largely stat driven.
@mamaedefamilia My S will be home from Oberlin next week for fall break, will be interesting to catch up with him. Good luck to your D!
@citymama9 fwiw, she described hamilton as a cross between colby and oberlin. she was very turned off by Oberlin when she visited her older brother, so she's passing. She decided on cornell over duke because she feels cornell is more economically and racially diverse. Also, we've given each of the kids a college budget, any unused money can be used for grad school so she likes the idea of saving around $60k over four years.
@my2caligirls good idea, but her head will explode if we introduce more schools at this point.
@prezbucky here's the latest list, copied from an earlier post. I've added parchment probabilities.
basic stats:
caucasian female
4.0 unw, 8aps by the time she graduates, two languages
act - 33, 34 superscore, plans to try one more time
sat II bio - 790
languages, spanish and chinese since 8th grade, taught herself latin this past summer
attended Tufts vet summer program, shadowed vets, attended lectures, etc. competitive admittance.
ecs -
since 8th grade worked with partners to help raise money and awareness for girl's education in developing countries. Chose a different country each year
varsity tennis captain
destination imagination - 4th globally in 10th grade
chinese club vp
mount holyoke book award
no hooks
safety
=====
mcgill 14/14 with gpa>=88 and 2075 sat Parchment%=89
rochester 31/33 with gpa>=90, sat >= 1800 Parchment%=94
match
=====
colby 5/6 with gpa>=95, sat >= 2000 Parchment%=72
wisconsin 9/9 gpa >=90, sat >=1800 Parchment%=82
Colgate 6/8 gpa >= 93, sat >=2050 Parchment%=79
reach
=====
u mich 20/24 with gpa>=94, sat >= 2000 Parchment%=81
middlebury 8/12 with gpa>=95, sat >= 2150 Parchment%=38
wash U 5/5 with gpa>=95, sat >= 2200 Parchment%=49
cmu 8/10 with gpa>=92, sat >= 2150 Parchment%=63
cornell 8/9 with gpa >= 95, sat >=2200 Parchment%=46
far reach
=====
duke 1/25 with gpa=99, sat = 2200 Parchment%=23
dartmouth 1/19 with gpa = 98, sat=2275 Parchment%=20
williams 1/12 with gpa = 98, sat=2300 Parchment%=24
Rice 1/4 with gpa=94 sat = 2050 Parchment%=35
berkeley 2/4 with gpa>=95, sat>=2200 Parchment%=58
Naviance doesn't break down stats for Cornell by college so it can be deceptive. Many of the land grant colleges (like ALS) are also big on the "Conditional / Guaranteed Transfer" option - that's usually for kids with lower test scores so may not apply, but be aware that this might happen. You go to another college for a year and if you get a certain GPA you are pretty much guaranteed a transfer sophomore year.
thanks @4Gulls , She read about the "fit" requirement, so she's mulling that over now and how her "Why CALS" essay might align with their mission statement.
thanks @thumper1, what a difference between her and my sons. My sons pushed submit at 11:50pm on the due date. Last week she told me there was no way she'd go into halloween weekend with the apps hanging over her head and true to her word, she got them out tonight.
collage11763 replies72 threadsRegistered UserSenior Member
OP, best of luck to your D with her ED application to Cornell. D3 applied ED (HumEc) and is now a junior there. Fabulous school, community, area. She loves it. Was a bit of a stretch for my D but the 'fit' was there and we've all assumed ED helped.
thanks @collage1 , her stats are on the money but I'm not sure what cornell will think about fit. I'd feel much more confident if she had some research under her belt. Well, it's out of our control now, we'll know soon enough!
My D asked me an interesting question the other day, thought I'd post here for opinions. She'll hear from cornell (ed) mid dec, she'll either be accepted, deferred or denied. If she's denied, is that a message about the relative strength (or weakness) of her application? should it effect her list of schools?
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll have heard from any other schools before that, so the outcome at cornell (and possible u mich ea) will be her last data point.
The list of schools is in reply #165 of this thread.
thanks!
p.s. she decided to swap wiliams for vanderbilt on her list.
doschicos21106 replies219 threadsRegistered UserSenior Member
If it was a match or safety school and she got denied, I'd recommend revisiting the list and/or revisiting the application for weaknesses. However, for a reach like Cornell, I wouldn't panic about it. As a reach, the odds are low by definition, right? As long as you feel she has a balanced list with multiple matches and safeties, I wouldn't worry about a rejection from an ED reach school too much.
Aida254 replies17 threadsRegistered UserJunior Member
^I agree. Because of holistic admissions, a denial from one highly selective school doesn't automatically mean denial at another.
My D did meet the EA deadline for a couple of match schools for the purpose of using them as a bellwether. We think she should get in, but if she doesn't, it will definitely give us a better sense of her chances at her favorite school, a reachier one. She plans to apply RD but if the matches come in as rejections or waitlists, she may switch to EDII.
thanks! it will be interesting to see if she decides to try EDII somewhere if not admitted to cornell. I think conventional wisdom is that the EDII school should not be quite as selective as the EDI school.
mathmom32360 replies159 threadsRegistered UserSenior Member
I'd say for Cornell it's selective enough that I wouldn't worry about a denial. When my older son was deferred by both his EA schools (MIT and Caltech) that was a message to him that he really had to pursue getting the two outside recommendations he'd procrastinated about asking for. (For a smart kid he could be really dumb - no one in school could really speak to his programming abilities or that he worked well with others despite being very shy.) In the end both those schools rejected him, but he got accepted by schools that were as selective.
Replies to: help with classifying safeties, matches and reaches for my D
Your commentary on your son's experience at Oberlin also has been very helpful to me as my D has submitted an application there.
Coincidentally, a family at D's school has a daughter, now a junior, at Cornell and a son who just started at Oberlin. The daughter has been extremely happy, looking forward to an update from the son.
Cornell ED
Michigan, Wisconsin EA (both OOS?)
RD:
Duke
Washington U
Colgate
That's a nice list of reaches and matches. Do you have a true safety in mind?
@citymama9 fwiw, she described hamilton as a cross between colby and oberlin. she was very turned off by Oberlin when she visited her older brother, so she's passing. She decided on cornell over duke because she feels cornell is more economically and racially diverse. Also, we've given each of the kids a college budget, any unused money can be used for grad school so she likes the idea of saving around $60k over four years.
@my2caligirls good idea, but her head will explode if we introduce more schools at this point.
@prezbucky here's the latest list, copied from an earlier post. I've added parchment probabilities.
basic stats:
caucasian female
4.0 unw, 8aps by the time she graduates, two languages
act - 33, 34 superscore, plans to try one more time
sat II bio - 790
languages, spanish and chinese since 8th grade, taught herself latin this past summer
attended Tufts vet summer program, shadowed vets, attended lectures, etc. competitive admittance.
ecs -
since 8th grade worked with partners to help raise money and awareness for girl's education in developing countries. Chose a different country each year
varsity tennis captain
destination imagination - 4th globally in 10th grade
chinese club vp
mount holyoke book award
no hooks
safety
=====
mcgill 14/14 with gpa>=88 and 2075 sat Parchment%=89
rochester 31/33 with gpa>=90, sat >= 1800 Parchment%=94
match
=====
colby 5/6 with gpa>=95, sat >= 2000 Parchment%=72
wisconsin 9/9 gpa >=90, sat >=1800 Parchment%=82
Colgate 6/8 gpa >= 93, sat >=2050 Parchment%=79
reach
=====
u mich 20/24 with gpa>=94, sat >= 2000 Parchment%=81
middlebury 8/12 with gpa>=95, sat >= 2150 Parchment%=38
wash U 5/5 with gpa>=95, sat >= 2200 Parchment%=49
cmu 8/10 with gpa>=92, sat >= 2150 Parchment%=63
cornell 8/9 with gpa >= 95, sat >=2200 Parchment%=46
far reach
=====
duke 1/25 with gpa=99, sat = 2200 Parchment%=23
dartmouth 1/19 with gpa = 98, sat=2275 Parchment%=20
williams 1/12 with gpa = 98, sat=2300 Parchment%=24
Rice 1/4 with gpa=94 sat = 2050 Parchment%=35
berkeley 2/4 with gpa>=95, sat>=2200 Parchment%=58
https://www.suny.edu/media/suny/content-assets/documents/summary-sheets/Admissions_qf_stateop.pdf
This bodes well for your daughter - but from what I hear a lot also depends on the essay and the "fit."
Naviance doesn't break down stats for Cornell by college so it can be deceptive. Many of the land grant colleges (like ALS) are also big on the "Conditional / Guaranteed Transfer" option - that's usually for kids with lower test scores so may not apply, but be aware that this might happen. You go to another college for a year and if you get a certain GPA you are pretty much guaranteed a transfer sophomore year.
And here's a second link about size off class:
http://cals.cornell.edu/sites/cals.cornell.edu/files/shared/documents/academics/CALS_exchange_PPT.pdf
I think your D has a good chance - but she's hopefully happy with safeties and matches, too.
Sounds perfect.
cornell ed
u mich ea
wisc ea
uva ea
I'd like to think (hope) Cornell is 50-50, with some luck, hope to be done mid dec.
Unfortunately, I don't think we'll have heard from any other schools before that, so the outcome at cornell (and possible u mich ea) will be her last data point.
The list of schools is in reply #165 of this thread.
thanks!
p.s. she decided to swap wiliams for vanderbilt on her list.
My D did meet the EA deadline for a couple of match schools for the purpose of using them as a bellwether. We think she should get in, but if she doesn't, it will definitely give us a better sense of her chances at her favorite school, a reachier one. She plans to apply RD but if the matches come in as rejections or waitlists, she may switch to EDII.