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Confederate battle flag fliers posted at American University

ucbalumnusucbalumnus 77078 replies671 postsRegistered User Senior Member
http://www.theeagleonline.com/article/2017/09/ten-confederate-flag-fliers-found-at-american-university

They had "Huzzah for DIXIE" on them, and cotton stalks attached to them.
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  • doschicosdoschicos 20599 replies209 postsRegistered User Senior Member
  • HarvestMoon1HarvestMoon1 6200 replies28 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    This sounds like an outside job to me.
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  • doschicosdoschicos 20599 replies209 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Looks like you are correct, @HarvestMoon1. If you google "DC Counter Resistance", you'll see references to other incidents not on campus.

    http://dcist.com/2017/08/ward_4_residents_report_bigoted_fly.php
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  • alhalh 8483 replies47 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    Here in the rural south, I saw a new confederate flag today in front of someone's home when I made the 14 mile drive to go to the closest bank. They just put it up in the last week or so. I see more and more flags. Really disheartening.
    edited September 2017
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  • simba9simba9 3247 replies20 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    When I was a kid in Ohio, people thought nothing of flying the Confederate flag, and we used to sing "Dixie" right alongside "The Battle Hymn of the Republic" in school. It's interesting to watch values change over time. I guess that's what happens when symbols get co-opted by extremist groups.
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  • OHMomof2OHMomof2 12606 replies231 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    There are a lot of Confederate flags around Ohio and I always wonder why. Ohio was a union state, an important underground railroad state. One state neighbor to our south was literally created by seceding from the rest of its state in order to NOT be part of the confederacy, and the other was neutral though part of the union. We are surrounded by union states.

    Whose heritage is being celebrated with confederate flags flown in Ohio???
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  • momofthreeboysmomofthreeboys 16617 replies66 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    My college roommate was from the south and we used to argue about this all the time. I think for many it's just a southern pride thing and really has not much to do with the underlying Civil War. It doesn't bother me. People fly pirate flags and all kinds of flags and I don't give it much credence that they want to pillage or have a desire to steal. I just think people are getting way too ultrasensitive and trying to made broad generalizations that may or may not apply to an individual or what they may be thinking or believing.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 77078 replies671 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    doschicos wrote:
    I have relatives in the deep South. They don't see it as a "southern pride" thing. They see it for it's racial symbolism. Perhaps at some point in history, it could be argued that it didn't represent that. But it does now.

    It did from the beginning. When the seceding states proudly wrote that they seceded because they "have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery" (Georgia) and that their "position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world" (Mississippi), it is hard to wash away the idea that the Confederate States (and therefore its symbols like flags) did not have anything to do with slavery or the racism around it.

    https://www.civilwar.org/learn/primary-sources/declaration-causes-seceding-states
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  • OHMomof2OHMomof2 12606 replies231 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    @doschicos mass wave of folks transplanted from places south to Ohio and other parts of the Rust Belt.

    It actually doesn't, because they mostly came from West Virginia and Kentucky! WV born out of determination NOT to secede with VA, and KY neutral-to-union.

    It's a puzzle.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 77078 replies671 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    doschicos wrote:
    I've been struggling through Hillbilly Elegy (struggling because the writing quality is poor, IMO) but one of the themes in the book is the mass wave of folks transplanted from places south to Ohio and other parts of the Rust Belt. I wonder, @OHMomof2, if this explains the prevalence of confederacy symbolism in your state?

    Whether or not that is related, note that midwest cities tend to have high levels of racial segregation (with Chicago being the most common example of "the most segregated large city in the US"): https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-diverse-cities-are-often-the-most-segregated/

    For Ohio in particular, according to the list at the bottom of the above link, Cleveland is highly segregated, Cincinnati is somewhat more segregated than average, and Toledo and Columbus are close to average (marginally more segregated).

    Higher racial segregation is probably both a cause and result of higher racism.
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  • katliamomkatliamom 12781 replies167 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    Ohio and Michigan have always been "fertile ground" for racism and the KKK. Those who fly the Confederate flag today may have had parents or grandparents in the Klan.
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  • doschicosdoschicos 20599 replies209 postsRegistered User Senior Member
  • katliamomkatliamom 12781 replies167 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    That's one way to look at it, I suppose.... :(
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  • doschicosdoschicos 20599 replies209 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    I think the dangerous thing with folks feeling free to fly their flags and such is it gives a voice and boldness to the racism which can manifest into more overt actions. We've seen evidence of that lately, IMO. I prefer the cockroaches to hide in the dark.
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  • chippedtoofchippedtoof 260 replies3 postsRegistered User Junior Member
    Ouch. It does put a damper on things as we are looking at a few Ohio schools. I know the schools, students, most residents are not "perturbed" like the flag flyers, but it does mean that people who don't know the lay of the land (like my S) may need a period of adjustment.

    The question I have is this: if we are indeed a nation divided philosophically, is the path forward really an all-out frontal war of "right vs wrong" or some mid-ground requiring sacrifice on both sides and a decision that the ultimate long term solution lies further out in the future? It seems now we're doing the former and it's splitting us apart.
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  • alhalh 8483 replies47 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    edited September 2017
    I would prefer children not to have to see them.

    When I first moved out here around ten years ago, there were a very few very elderly folks flying flags and one very worn and faded Klan advertisement on the side of a barn. As these individuals passed away, their heirs took down the flags and several neighbors expressed to me how relieved they were to cover over that sign on Uncle's barn about five years back, almost immediately after his funeral.

    I had thought the flags were going to be gone in a few years. However, in the weeks following the Charleston massacre, flags went up. Young folks even put them on their trucks, not just decals, but poles flying flags, which I had never before seen. After Charlottesville more flags appeared.

    You can interpret that however you want. I know what I think it means.
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  • doschicosdoschicos 20599 replies209 postsRegistered User Senior Member
    "if we are indeed a nation divided philosophically, is the path forward really an all-out frontal war of "right vs wrong" or some mid-ground requiring sacrifice on both sides and a decision that the ultimate long term solution lies further out in the future?"

    I think that is a valid and important question in a lot of areas but how can that be applied to racism? I'd argue it can't because where is the mid-ground on the issue?

    That's very depressing and sad to hear, @alh, and it enforces the opinion I expressed above in #17. :(
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