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Is SAT 25th or 75th percentile a better indicator of how much schools care about the SAT (or ACT)?
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This is what they say about their sources.
8% of 4.0 unweighted gpa kids got accepted. Sorry, but that means 92% got rejected. We know stats are a significant factor, but you can see they are NO guarantee. Nor are they are they less important, just because 92% got rejected; there are only so many spaces.
Understand what holistic means, in practice. Understand how important it is to truly understand a college, nt just your own hs status, dreams, and wants. You need to nail any Why Us. Be looking over your shoulder, lol.
Brown 1410-1570 - not quite matches adding the 25th section scores and 75th from CDS for class of 2021 (from NCES; has a 705)
Columbia 1450-1580 - can't figure out where this comes from, but matches a Compass Prep list (at least one other college in that list is definitely wrong; might just be old)
Cornell 1390-1550 - this matches adding the 25th section scores and 75th from CDS for class of 2021 (NCES)
Dartmouth 1430-1560 - this matches adding the 25th section scores and 75th from CDS for class of 2021 (NCES)
Duke 1490-1560 - this matches the class profile admitted for class of 2022
Harvard 1460-1580 - this matches adding the 25th section scores and 75th from CDS for class of 2021 (NCES)
MIT 1490-1570 - this matches adding the 25th section scores and 75th from CDS for class of 2021 (NCES)
Princeton 1430-1570 - this matches adding the 25th section scores and 75th from CDS for class of 2021 (NCES)
UPenn 1420-1560 - this matches adding the 25th section scores and 75th from CDS for class of 2021 (NCES)
Stanford 1420-1570 this matches adding the 25th section scores and 75th from CDS for class of 2022 (Stanford website)
Yale 1420-1590 - this matches adding the 25th section scores and 75th from CDS for class of 2021 (Yale website; curiously, the 25th and 75th section scores from the 2017-18 CDS do not match the NCES data for fall of 2017)
@lookingforward To your point, the bullet point list (Very Important, Important, Considered, etc.) from the College Board survey can vary considerably from what they say in the "A Note From the College" text box. For example Cornell:
If I was applying to Cornell, I think I would pay close attention to that "preparation and background for specific programs" comment. (I actually did apply to Cornell back in the day and was rejected, but I think I probably did no research at all about the school.)
So 18% of applicants had an 800M and only 8% of those got admitted, but they form a large part of the class. Even larger, those with 700-799. This is not that "Stanford cares noticeably less" about scores. It's that Stanford, with 44k apps for roughly 2100 admit letters, cares about the entire picture one presents.
Just because someone is tops in their own hs doesn't mean they get it. You can certainly blow it. Meanwhile, some kid with a 750 might be right behind you, presenting the "whole" they want to see, the sorts of activities, challenges and impact, the thinking and perspective. The energy to NOT look at any of this simplistically or superficially.
Same goes for all the top/tippy top holistic colleges. They care about stats, but also more than stats.
@damon30, that "preparation and background" is critical. Some posters claim that, unless a college admits to specific programs (college of engn, school of music, whatever,) it doesn't matter. But it does. Academic and activities. And thinking. The level of one's thinking drives a lot of choices. Or not.
Who keeps saying it's a guarantee? You're the only that says these generalizations only to knock them down later in your post. Anyway 8% is low but the 1380-1490 is 4.5%, meaning that the 1500-1600 has almost double the chance of getting in.
"Meanwhile, some kid with a 750 might be right behind you, presenting the "whole" they want to see, the sorts of activities, challenges and impact, the thinking and perspective."
The flaw in this logic is simple, you keep assuming that the 800 kid is incapable of thinking like the 750 kid, that the 800 kid is relying only on the test scores and has only done that in high school while the 750 kid is holistically getting in. That's not the case, 1600/36 kids do real well in college admissions, better than the 1500/34 kids. The numbers show that. You seem to encourage purposely not getting a perfect score on these tests, because then colleges will see you holistically, as a human being. If you get a 1600 or 36, well then you might be a test taking robot that colleges don't want. Again, not the case, there are ton of 1600/36s walking on Stanford, Harvard, Yale, MIT, Princeton et al. They don't really accept any 1200s who think they can change the world and have the holistic app.
Also, Umich seems to one of the few to release the latest CDS and it seems to be 1330-1510(non-concorded), and a 30-34. Either the highest or second highest for a public school.
No guarantee of your chances, no guarantee of the excellence of your record or application. Not sure why this is the 2nd time recently you ding me for saying something that is not a direct repsonse to a question (as if someone had asked for guarantees?) OP started trying to understand what seems to be an indicator of importance of scores. The links show top scores are...no guarantee.
2017-18 Highest Test Score Publics
1. GeorgiaTech: 30-34 ACT, 670-730 EBRW, 680-770 Math
2 (tie). Michigan: 30-33 ACT, 660-730 EBRW, 670-770 Math
2 (tie). Berkeley*: 29-34 ACT, 650-750 EBRW, 650-780 Math
4. Virginia: 29-33 ACT, 660-740 EBRW, 650-760 Math
5. William and Mary: 29-33 ACT, 660-740 EBRW, 640-740 Math
*Berkeley reports stats differently in IPEDS and CDS, using CDS... lower with IPEDS
2018-19 Highest Test Score Publics
1. GeorgiaTech: 30-34 ACT, 640-730 EBRW, 690-790 Math
2. Michigan: 30-34 ACT, 660-730 EBRW, 670-780 Math
3 (tie). Berkeley*: 29-35 ACT, 660-750 EBRW, 670-750 Math
3 (tie). Virginia: 30-34 ACT, 660-730 EBRW, 670-770 Math
5. William and Mary: 30-33 ACT, 660-730 EBRW, 650-760 Math
*Berkeley is "enrollment estimate as of 08/2018" and may be inaccurate
Wouldn't the most likely answer be that the figure represents the scores attained by the students who attend Berkeley?
https://nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/?q=Berkeley&s=all&id=110635#admsns
2018-2019
Emory: 31-34, 660-730 EBRW, 690-790 Math
UCLA: 28-34, 640-740 EBRW, 630-780 Math
Williams: 32-35, 710-760 EBRW, 700-790 Math
CMC: 31-34, 670-730 EBRW, 680-770 Math
Cornell: 32-34, 680-750 EBRW, 710-790 Math
Well yea, I was wondering why it was a bit lower.
Also what you posted is for 2017-2018 , not 2018-2019.
Not sure what the difference could be.... but some ideas.....UCB may have updated the CDS multiple times, which IPEDS may not reflect. Or UCB's CDS could be incorrect.
(Edited to reflect reply #41.)