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Fraternity controversy at Swarthmore

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  • AlmostThere2018AlmostThere2018 2007 replies63 threads Senior Member
    Any school with such a small fraternity presence means those orgs are by nature marginalized and ripe for controversy. A college should either have Greek life (and closely monitor it) or not -- having a tiny sliver of your student body take part seems unwise.

    That said, Swat is known for lots of student dissent -- didn't they do prolonged sit-ins in the President's office a few years ago?

    My D's great friend goes there now. I know several alums. It's a great school academically, but i knew for my D that kind of intense campus politics would be exhausting and distracting so I was glad when she didn't even want to visit.
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  • twoinanddonetwoinanddone 24997 replies20 threads Senior Member
    If fraternities and sororities are so horrible, why do they continue to grow? Why do students even want to join them, go underground to form them, pay money to belong? At Swarthmore, 1 in 10 male students want to join a frat. Is the recruiting pitch "hey, come join and we'll rape girls and do drugs"? I bet not.
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  • PublisherPublisher 11589 replies155 threads Senior Member
    I know of an LAC that closed all 6 fraternities for several years due to excessive partying. Eventually reopened two fraternities--the jock frat & the druggie frat. I suspect that the rest of the student body was happy to be segregated from both groups.
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  • FlaParentFlaParent 115 replies23 threads Junior Member
    edited May 2019
    Trixy34 wrote: Personally, I feel that there is no use/reason for greek societies on most campuses. I would love to see them abolished at more schools. They make college shopping all the more difficult for students who do not want to rush. what you want to quote

    What a frightening thought process. Take a choice away (joining a frat/sorority) because it might make it harder for someone who does not want to be in one? Wow! Just wow!
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 83901 replies744 threads Senior Member
    Publisher wrote:
    I know of an LAC that closed all 6 fraternities for several years due to excessive partying. Eventually reopened two fraternities--the jock frat & the druggie frat. I suspect that the rest of the student body was happy to be segregated from both groups.

    Did the "jock" one dominate the social scene for athletes (or a particular team's athletes) to the point that it was hard to ignore by athletes who were not interested?
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  • PublisherPublisher 11589 replies155 threads Senior Member
    edited May 2019
    @ucbalumnus: My understanding is that the school brought in a new president who had been a member of that jock frat as a student at that LAC & wanted to bring it back. To the best of my knowledge, the frat involved jocks from several different teams & the community was pleased to have them living & dining elsewhere.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 83901 replies744 threads Senior Member
    When my daughter was applying to colleges last fall, she was mainly focused on colleges that have abolished greek life completely.

    Wouldn't all colleges that prohibit student participation in fraternities and sororities be private ones?
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  • Trixy34Trixy34 1183 replies6 threads Senior Member
    @santaclaradad - I'm glad you were able to find a school for her. My son passed up some otherwise good schools because of the prevalance of greek societies on campus. I suppose at a large school, it would be easier to find your own social niche away and apart from the Frats, but finding a small school where the social life isn't dominated by societes can be a bit of a challenge.
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  • yourmommayourmomma 1323 replies1 threads Senior Member
    Trixy34 wrote: Personally, I feel that there is no use/reason for greek societies on most campuses. I would love to see them abolished at more schools. They make college shopping all the more difficult for students who do not want to rush. what you want to quote

    What a frightening thought process. Take a choice away (joining a frat/sorority) because it might make it harder for someone who does not want to be in one? Wow! Just wow!

    While we are at it, lets just get rid of all clubs and extra activities. Heck at my kid's school the Dance team and Korean student association are in trouble. "Ban them all," I say.
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  • ucbalumnusucbalumnus 83901 replies744 threads Senior Member
    Trixy34 wrote:
    finding a small school where the social life isn't dominated by societes can be a bit of a challenge.

    You can look up the percentage of students in fraternities and sororities in the college's common data set section F1.

    For a student not interested in them, a smaller percentage like 11%/3% at Swarthmore is less likely to be an issue than 75%/75% at Washington and Lee -- although students interested in some types of activities may need to see if that activity is dominated by fraternities and sororities (e.g. at Swarthmore, a male lacrosse player not interested in fraternities may not like that most of the team is in Phi Psi).
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  • tutumom2001tutumom2001 1218 replies3 threads Senior Member
    If the frats are comprised of athletes, how is abolishing the frats going to end the behavior if the kids have another group outlet that will most likely continue it? I would think that the baseball team that is intent on partying is going to find another location to party whether it's at a frat house or elsewhere.
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  • lastone03lastone03 955 replies11 threads Member
    I don't really understand the comments about getting back to the Quaker roots when so many complain, for example, about Catholic universities being too Catholic.
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