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A Little Advice
RonaldP66
35 replies21 threads Junior Member
My daughter is a Junior and has taken both the SAT and ACT. Her scores were similar on both tests and not at all where she wants them to be. And these scores were also way below what would get her accepted where she wants to go. I know there's a lot of options for colleges so I get that. But she's a good student with a 4.1 GPA, taught herself Sign Language and started an ASL Club at her school and has also played Varsity tennis for three years. But there's something going on when she takes these standardized tests. Perhaps she too nervous. Perhaps she puts too much pressure on herself. She says on her practice tests she does very well and she seemed very confident going in, but the results just aren't there. My wife and I don't put added pressure on her at all. We live in L.A. and she's the one clamoring to go back east to school. I'm just wondering if anyone has ran into this with their own kids and what (if there is one) solution you found... besides more tutoring, etc. I appreciate the feedback.
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There are plenty of great colleges that are now test optional.
Get this book and a tutor that understands her weaknesses and strengths. If you have a tutor and she's doing well (what are her practices scores??) on practice tests but not in the real scenario then of course there is a disconnect. Any learning disabilities of any type? Test anxiety? The tutor should be watching her taking the tests.
If not. When she does her practice tests they should be real scenarios. So.. Get up at the same time and get ready the same way. Take her to a library and maybe use the quite room and do the real test. Do this for a few weeks before the tests every week. It's hard but students that have done this have done well.
The Act is a very fast test. Is she finishing the test sections? There are tricks even in this book that help with taking the test. Her tutor should of given her some tips about certain sections etc.
Also.. What is the naviance stats for her school with kids that got in.
Some kids have to take the Act a few times like 3 to get their scores. I think Northeastern super scores also.
But has she taken a practice Sat? Some kids are substantially better on one vs the other. There are testing centers that will give her a shortened version to get an idea if she would be successful at it. Both my kids are Act kids even though my sons tutor had to work on his timing since he's a slower reader.
Lastly, look at schools that she will be able to get in cleanly. Northeastern is like 18 % acceptance rate. Even with a 34 Act she might not get in. 34 is the sweet spot for lots of colleges. Realistically she needs to get into the 30s at least. This can happen and will help with her other schools she's applying to.
You will be surprised. Many many excellent and top schools.
Students applying without scores are treated the same as those who do for many schools. The exception, sometimes, is if you want merit aid.
1) Poor test-taking strategies.
2) Test-induced anxiety.
3) Previously undiagnosed learning differences such as slow processing or dyslexia.
Each of those has its own work-arounds, and each is worth sorting out before college.
I can understand the problem, I think it's just because of study pressure in her mind. She is trying hard but the results are not up to the mark due to the unwanted pressure which occurs when we think more about the particular task or event.
I would suggest you create a relaxed schedule for your daughter and ask her to follow. This schedule should have proper time for studies and other activities like singing, playing or any other activity which she likes to do. It will help her to concentrate on her studies without stress or pressure. I hope it will help your daughter.
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IMHO, your options are test optional schools and/or professional prep for the tests. My son's best friend in H.S. was just like your dd. He was in the top 10 of the class, all honors/AP classes, high GPA, great all around kid. SAT & ACT were unremarkable. He got with one of the best tutors in the area and raised his ACT by ten points and his SAT considerably. This ended up being well worth it because he got great merit $$ at the school he wanted (test required). He hated the tutor and hated the prep work but it sure paid off!
Good luck!
And make sure she understands that at most schools grades are more important than tests. Have her get excited about a safety or a test-optional school. Lots of east coast schools to pick from.
How does she do on high-stakes tests in school? Does she do as well on finals as in class? That could also be a clue.
Good luck!
There is no such thing as a "test optional" med school. You take high stakes tests to get licensed as a nurse, get a brokerage license, become a CPA or CFA. Even a kid who is resolute that they are going to college and never taking another test again (all classes with papers or projects) discover that the LSAT is a test. And that almost every single class in law school has a test, and that in order to practice law you need to take the bar exam. A friend of mine- in her 60's- just had to do a multi-day test to get certified as a hospital and court foreign language interpreter- and this for her native tongue. She hasn't taken a test in over 40 years and reported that it was incredibly stressful despite knowing the material cold.
So yes- check out the test optional colleges, but IMHO it's a worthwhile investment to find out from your D's teachers or tutor what they think the issues might be. It's one thing to limit your choice of college due to the gap between her ability and her test results (since there are so many fine options which are test optional) but to limit yourself professionally? That seems unnecessary to me. An increasing number of professions and jobs require licensing- which means tests throughout your adulthood. It's worth it to learn how to ace a test!
If switching places have them give her both practice tests as I stated before. You just might find out that the Sat is a much better test for her. It is common for some to do poorly on the Act but do great on the Sat and vice versa.
Also I agree. Consider the April test. For some kids the more times the better within reason.
My son is a freshman in college this year majoring in Mechanical Engineering. Given he is our oldest our only college search experience was with him. Given his major we never considered LAC. We only looked at top engineering programs. We started out with our daughter approaching the search the same way. Once we discovered LAC and really investigated their programs, we have completely shifted our approach. She will continue to try to improve her score but there is not as much pressure as there was before. And she seems intrigued by the offerings. Just something to consider if your child leans in the direction…
I don’t suggest picking majors and programs just to gain admissions. One has to show interest and aptitude in the area. For those who are set on impacted majors, looking for schools with realistic chances for acceptance in that field is advisable. A number of schools do not make transfers among its divisions easy. However, kids who can do well academically—get high grades, , may find that it’s the grades In college that dictate such transfers.
@blossom is correct in that life is filled with tests so if there is an issue here, it can certainly give more flexibility and options to successfully address not doing well on tests. However, a lot of very successful and happy people are out there that do not test well. It’s not a do or die thing , and addressing this should be weighed against the stress and unhappiness of focusing on this.
One of my kids could not hit 1000 on the SAT1. Did much better on the AP exams. Got into some selective colleges— yes, Fairtest was fair to him. And he did get accepted to Northeastern but in the first year abroad program. He was aceoted to UMD-CP for the second semester. A cousin was accepted to Penn State but had to start in the summer as a condition of acceptance. There are some back door ways to get into some colleges.
One thing I do want to bring up about some of the Fairtest schools. Being full pay likely helps at the ones that are need aware, and applying without submitting test scores is not likely to snag merit money. JMO, here.
She kind of got this way when she was playing competitive tennis as well. So nervous to just go for it and hit the ball like she does in practice. It's certainly gotten better but it could definitely have transferred into her test taking skills.
I think the pressure and rigor of school plus having to study for a standardized test is so much on 16 and 17 years olds. Just doesn't give them much time to be kids.
We're going to target July and August so she can study during the summer when it's the only thing (education-wise) on her mind.
She loved Northeastern and it's Forensic Science/ASL major/minor but obviously we will look at a lot of options here in the next few months.
Just to be clear, I was by no means suggesting she change/tailor her major to gain admission to any particular college. I was just sharing our "discovery" which has turned out to be a huge blessing for my daughter.
Best of luck to your daughter!