Kunfuzed101 is here to answer you ?'s about medical school admission in Pakistan.

kunfuzed101 · January 2007

To the best of my belief, I think Baqai is a private medical school correct. Consider the tuition for instance, private medical school tuition in Pakistan for foreign students run near $10,000 a year or maybe more. Since the tuition is high, private medical school have adequate resources and up to date technology and medical equipment. Plus I believe the classrooms are even equipped with air conditioning. But this can very from school to school. Honestly I really can't speak on behalf of Baqai considering I am not really familiar with the school. Private medicals schools have online sites which are updated more often and frequently.

akhan · January 2007

hmm.......thank u very muchhh........ u really answered in detail. I appreciate your kindness...
ok.... but thats not fair at all, why dont they accept A.S. degree? ok lets leave that giganatic issue aside, but if I have done very good in college, will they still not accept that college record, so far I have a GPA of 3.0. and the only grades that are down are from bio. but if I repeat them this semester and finally have a nice looking trasnscript with mostly A's and some B's. will they not look at the transcript then??? ......

akhan · January 2007

I wonder who purposed this law of deducting 20% grades of foreign students... ? and why making such a law. just not fair at all. all those students who work hard to get an A or a B get to be lower then those in pakistan who have also worked with same effort or maybe even less...!!! just barbarian !!!

akhan · January 2007

Mr. Kunfuzed, I have a question from you, though you help a lot with providing information to the foreign students or maybe all, but how come you happen to know all this information? r u a student in pakistan or here in USA? or probably you have studied there and then setteled here in USA? am I correct? .....have you personally been to all the colleges? what about Army medical college, how's the environment there and whats the hostel system for AMC?.....

kunfuzed101 · January 2007

^ Concerning your post(s) akhan, I am not studying in Pakistan anymore and I attended all my schooling inc. currently college here in the U.S. I applied to medical school in 2005 after putting my studies on hiatus. I went to Pakistan and my parents and I were not guided through the admission process. Apparently Pakistani people have a bad habit of either telling you misleading information or falseifying information. Anywho - I had the honor of undergoing the tedious medical admission process as a foreign applicant in the U.S. I was accepted to K.E., went there for a year, then left and came back to the U.S. to continue my college education the following year. And yes I do believe that the IBCC's measure of deducting 20% of U.S. student grades is an unethical, senseless measure. From what I have been told, they do this because from what they believe: the U.S. education system is to easy. Yeah, pardon my use of vulgar language but that is pure bulls***! I have not been to Karachi but I have done my research on the medical schools in Sindh. I have however seen and visted all of the medical schools private and government in Faisalabad, Lahore, and Army Medical College which is affiliated with NUST University in Rawalpindi. AMC is a mere three to four minute from the Islamabad City Limits. Moreover I have come to know several Pakistani medical school graduates and dropouts who went to college or high school in the U.S. and pursued or were to pursue a career in Medicine. Speaking of AMC, you in luck. I have not been to the hostel, but I have seen the campus from outside during my trip to Rawalpindi in 2006. Hostel accomodations vary from school to school. From my personal exp. they usually pair you up with another foreign roomate. Also since you pay higher tuition fees certain accomadations such as air conditioning can be met (with an extra monthly fee). Akhan my best advice to you would be to finish college. With a B.A. or B.S. (whatever you choose to do) then apply to a Pakistani medical college. This may seem like your defeating the purpose because after all, applicants go to Pakistan so they can become an M.D. in the smallest amount of time and money, but I feel in your situation you would have much better luck if you pulled your grades at least to an A in physics, chemistry, bio, math. From personal exp. I submitted my college grades/transcript but the admission committee chose not to look at them because I was not finished with college. So I applied on the basis of my high school grades. I know someone who went to college in the U.S. for two to three years and then applied to Aga Khan w/o a degree. I'm not sure if this applicant got in, but I have a feeling that this is possible. Truthfully I am speaking from both personal experience and the guidelines of medical school admission as mandated by the PK govt. I would advise you to somehow contact the Pakistani Embassy - many applicant here in the U.S. either apply to medical school from them or they personally know someone in Pakistan i.e. Relatives that complete the process on their behalf.

kornpopz · February 2007

Kunfuzed101, can you chance me for AKU and Dow pleeeeease

Am I the stereotypical desi wanna-be doctor or what.

Race: Obviously Pakistani (us citizen though, not sure if it's dual)
Rank/GPA: 7/439 fairly competitive school, gpa is 99.21, over 100 in sciences
SAT: 2200 (1470 cr+m)
SAT II: 740 chem, 760 math ii, 690 bio m
EC's:
pres of health occupations students of america
pres of math club
vice pres of cultural club
2 yr hospital intern
hundreds of hours of volunteering
lots of math awards
national merit commended
ap scholar w/ honor

Other: Scared of living in pakistan (is that normal???), Low income bracket, most of family are doctors (some from Dow Univ.), obviously not that competitive but i'm motivated to do what i can to succeed.

kunfuzed101 · February 2007

So far so good. Judging by you SAT score you should get into AKU and Dow. If you made an A in high school Physics, Chemistry, Biology and your Math courses you should have a excellent chance in getting in. SAT 2200/2400 is impecabble!

Also I see that you stand in the low income range, and obiviously that may become a financial problem considering the out of pocket costs for AKU or Dow. Remember no financial aid is available for foreign students. I suggest you take out some private loans or look for other alternatives.

Good Luck.

gmail · February 2007

hey kunfunzed 101 could u tell me how the IBCC rankings work please tell me what sat and sat !! score responds to what number and what rank/grades respond to what number and what is the total

kunfuzed101 · February 2007

IBCC is an unethical standard of measurement! Basically, here is what they do:
1. They convert your grades on the Pakistani system.
2. They deduct 20% off each letter grade (if you are an American student), other countries differ in the percent markoffs. I believe Canada is 10% but I'm not sure.
3. Once your grades have been assessed by the IBCC, similar to the SAT they will give you a score of marks (so to speak). The maximum one can get is 1100, a majority of the people who make it to medical school in Pakistan have 900 or above marks.

This link will explain your question in great detail gmail: http://www.ibcc.edu.pk/Equivalence/equivalence.asp

Also I would like to add that there is a fee for the grade conversion from the IBCC - I think its $70 US Dollars. And they do not convert your SAT score, they leave that as is. The SAT score range is apparent worldwide...even students in Pakistan take the SAT now (Bahria, LUMS, AGA) are just a few who require the SAT for admission, so I am quite sure they are familiar with that exam. Again the official link that I have provided should answer your question.

ghostfacekiller · February 2007

hey kunfunzed 101 so this is where I stand tell me how i look so far, for Aga Khan, Shafia and King Edward

my SAT is 1980 SAt II's 700 chem and 730 in Bio
i have gotten all A's except one B in Chem AP but i have taken 7 Ap's including all the sciences and my ec's are pretty strong as well

edit my gpa is 4.3 and my rank is 1-3 out 1000, haven't been told yet officially

kunfuzed101 · February 2007

Keep in mind Aga Khan has a totally different admission policy, yet their website indicates that you would need at least a 1250 on the SAT to even be considered for admission. Your score on the SAT should suffice. Further, I believe the IBCC even converts grades from the AP system. I took AP Physics in high school so I am guessing that they do. Anyway that B of yours should become an A, HOWEVER when they deduct 20% off, that A of yours should become a B (really kunfuzing I know.) When you apply they give you a list of medical colleges. There is one application that is used for medical college in Sindh, Punjab, NWFP, and Baloch. On there they ask what colleges (rank from 1 to 7) I believe that you would be interested in. Say if you list K.E. at number 1 (but don't get in) they will look at your second choice and go down the line. As for Shifa, to be totally honest I'm not too familiar with it although I have heard of it. I reckon it is a medical college for girls correct? Here is Shifa's website and admission info if you have not already visted it yet:

http://www.shifacollege.edu/admissions/admissions.html

scorpio_pluto · March 2007

Hey, Kunfuzed101, Say I have done GED and am wanting to go to Pakistan and get admission in the Dow Medical College. What would you think my chances might be?? Would doing GED be a drawback for me as far as the admission is concerned???

kunfuzed101 · March 2007

I apologize for the late response I was studying for my midterms. Anyway, to tell you the truth I'm not so sure that you would even be elligble for admission into medical school with a GED. Plus I don't even think the admissions committees in Pakistan are even aware of what a GED is anyway, let alone accept it once they do find out it's equivalence. Your applying for Dow which is very competitive, as most govt. medical schools are in Pakistan nowadays.

cutesobia · March 2007

Do we need to take the SAT or SAT II to get into DOW or Baqai med school?

And, whats the deal for foreigners for these two schools?

If i move there...i will be staying at my daadi's house. So, i dont have to live in a hostel...however, i had a 3.6 GPA at the end of my senior year. I did fairly well in my science classes...i made ehh B's mostly i guess. In, English though i was excellent. But, my main question is...do they require SAT or SAT II for DOW or Baqai...and if not that...then do they require you to take an entrance test...keep in mind i would be considered as a Foreigner. Thanks a lot!

sara_sara · March 2007

Does anyone know when the DMC entrance test is for year 2007-2008 for MBBS

kunfuzed101 · March 2007

cutesobia:
You would need to take the SAT 1, unless otherwise stated. Also foreigners are not required to show up for the entrance examination (hence that requirement is mandatory for pakistani students not foreigners like yourself.) Govt. medical schools do not require foreigners to take entrance exams, but a majority of private medical schools do.

sara_sara:
Entrance examinations are usually held in the fall. Hence the above statement, if your a foreigner than you would not need to take it. That is why we (foreigners) must submit our SAT scores.

cutesobia · March 2007

So do government med schools require SAT I? Because, ive heard that they dont require SATs, entrance exams, nor SAT II...they strictly base it off of your IBCC and your courses...

And, how well would u think someone would have to do on the SAT I?

Thanks for the help...

and, would u happen to know if baqai and DOW are easy to get into?!?! You might have more information than i do lol.

seriously, thanks a lot though!

kunfuzed101 · March 2007

Here is what I know: most foreign applicants take the SAT, I graduated from high school three years ago so I'm not familiar with the new SAT, but what I can tell you is that I took the ACT and got into K.E. And "no" you (foreign applicant) are not required to show up for their examination, and "yes" your IBCC calculation/marks will account for 99 percent of their criteria for admission. Most foreign applicants have and IBCC score of 850 or above on a scale of 1100. I'm not too familiar with Baqai, but from what little I know I can tell you that it is private, and you might/might not have to take an entrance exam (even if your a foreigner), and that is school is indeed recognized by W.H.O. and PMDC, therefore its safe for you to apply there. As for Dow, I see that many of Dow's graduates are practicing here, moreover a huge amount of foreign qualified M.D.s have studied from either Aga, K.E. or Dow. Also refer to my post #16 for additional comments on Dow.

ghostfacekiller · March 2007

If i decide to go to Pakistan its either Aga Khan or King Edward i wanted to know since i'm a us born citizen who went to the high school in the us how will the USMLE be hard or easy and what scores percentile do i need to get into American residences?????

Also what type of residency do the International students get particularly at King Edward will i get a crappy residency or one of the top in the US. Also can u please tell me like what the residencies have been over the years for international students?????????

kunfuzed101 · April 2007

One's performance on the USMLE, will obviously vary. Although I have not reached that stage or intend to, I have heard that many medical students independently study on their own, often covering areas that were not mentioned in lecture prior to completing their medical education. Some even take 1 year to study. As for residencies, I'm not too familar with what happens and where one is placed after their USMLE examination. Hence no residency is "crappy," infact landing a residency especially in the U.S. is a difficult and selective process. Plus to be honest, I am not sure about the whole residency process and as evident I would not be qualified to even give you advice or direction in this are considering I did not complete my medical education/nor intend to. I suggest you talk with a practicing M.D. who studied and graduated from medical school in Pakistan for information.

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