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How do you afford all those college visits?
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Financial considerations do make these luxuries. The URM status and perhaps athletic status may open doors for your son though.
Riverrunner’s suggestion to research athletic recruiting is excellent. D1 schools offer paid official visits. Some D3 schools have athletic open houses where they might pay for a diversity recruit to visit as part of their diversity outreach program.
Also, try researching diversity recruitment or diversity weekends. In my CC reading, I’ve come across Amherst, Williams, Swarthmore as offering them early in the Fall. While it doesn’t apply to our family, S’s friend was recruited for diversity weekends based on his Hispanic ethnicity checked on PSATs.
Okay, so here is what I found on CC: http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/390010-diversity-visiting-weekends.html?highlight=diversity+weekends
There are quite a few colleges that offer them. Happy searching.
Of course applications have to go out first
If it is too hard to afford a visit- ( too far away etc) , keep in mind how expensive that will be if they attend.
However- there isn't anything etched in stone that says they have to visit before freshman orientation.
Rumour has it, that 30 years ago, many students signed on the dotted line before they had even visited a web site !
Visited Columbia and NYU when we went up to NYC to pick D up from Europe trip (just before Jr yr). We turned it into the summer family vacation and we spent 5 days and 4 nights at a lovely hotel near Carnegie Hall. (Travel company booked us into a Hotel originally that was being torn down, they called to tell me two days before-they gave us two rooms in Le Parker Meridien for the same price as 1 in this lower level hotel for the 'inconvenience it caused us).
Visited Michigan and Michigan State through Debate camps in bet freshman and sophmore year, she is very familiar with their dorms after 6 weeks. My parents and brother live in Det suburbs so they picked up my little darling (she was 14) from the airport and transported her to the colleges and helped her move into the dorm. She has wanted to go to U Mich ever since.
Went out to Cal to visit Berkeley and Stanford (top schools - but what a contrast- loved Stanford and thought Berkeley wasn't worth the money - chem lecture had 700 students and 600 seats), I wanted to do the full burn and go to LA for CalTech and USC, but D was wiped from all the travel during spring break. We also visited with family while there. She subsequently didn't like eitherCalTech or USC on paper. CalTech - intense. USC, felt she couldn't afford enough Gucci.
Cornell is so difficult to get to, 9 hours flight each way plus wait at airports etc., that we will have to wait to visit if she is admitted. Their Red Carpet program doesn't mesh with her school schedule, and it is difficult to justify that length of a trip to visit a school, stay in a hotel, and visit classes for one day.Not to mention that the cheapest early airfair for each of us is bet $450-700. This would be the $3,000 day. No frequent flyer miles to this location!
She spent 2 lovely days with a student at WashU and did the full tour. Went to class and was interviewed. From our home it takes less time and costs about the same to fly to St. Louis than to go to Austin or Houston. Ironic, but Texas has miles and miles of miles and miles [Red Skelton]
Hasn't visited Tufts or Georgia Tech yet. Was interviewed by Tufts (45 min interview went for two hours - I drove with her to go shopping and ended up waiting at a different coffee shop a block away, those seats were really hard)
We are are not poor enough or rich enough...
Those who got a low draft # matriculated to Viet Nam those who didn't go to college with high draft #s matriculated to the Ford or GM factory.
We started looking at nearby colleges at first. From those visits, we got an idea of what he wanted and did not want. We then visited a few schools that could be done in a day. As we honed in on what kind of schools we wanted, we came up with a list. For some visits he went with other kids who were visiting which cut the cost a lot. Also if he knew someone at a school, he stayed with that student. So I did not go to some of the visits.
Now that he has applied, we visited and interviewed only 5 schools which are the ones where this is important for admissions consideration. The state schools, we did not bother,because they don't care. He has looked at some of them earlier, but did not interview or go this year. When he has his acceptances, he will go to the school most heavily considered and spend a day shadowing a student taking courses that are like what he may be taking as a freshman there. Also most of his schools are nearby. We only have 3 schools that are any distance away, and one is a state school that we have not visited.
They are not absolutely necessary.
My son (the older kid) did not visit any colleges he was applying to until spring of senior year, long after the apps were in. He then decided to visit his top choice college; it happened to be in the same town as one of his safeties, so he decided to visit both. He had an airline voucher from when he had been bumped from a flight the previous summer, so he applied that to the cost of a round trip ticket and flew on his own to visit; arranging successive overnights at each. His reasoning was that he felt reasonably sure of admission to his top choice, and so that was the only one he really needed to see.
He was indeed admitted to the top choice college, but unfortunately they did not offer any financial aid. He then received a suprisingly generous financial aid offer from his 2nd choice college, on the east coast -- so he flew out east in April -- it was short notice, booked less than 2 weeks out, but I don't remember having to pay too much. In any case, he came home, said he had found the college acceptable, and that is where he went.
My daughter did visit more colleges, but she also visited on her own. She took two separate week-long trips to the east coast; the second one was with a free roundtrip airline ticket she had won in a contest the previous spring - I paid for the other trip. (If she hadn't had the free ticket, then there simply would have been one trip rather than 2 -- the 2nd trip was not really necessary, it was more to visit her bf than schools -- in fact it rained most of the time and she cancelled several planned visits anyway).
I do think my daughter learned some things about herself and what she wanted on college visits -- but it happened that way only because she was traveling alone. So if anything, I think parental presence at a visit can be counterproductive in terms of the overall decision making process. (I know I certainly will get flamed for this -- but especially for a kid contemplating a distant college, there's a lot of value to the dry run experience of doing it solo).
Okay, so we laughed when D started counting how many times one person said "Ummm" during an info session (and decided to bail on the tour) and then there was the one college of "please don't even park the car" experience that should be obligatory for everyone to tell as a story years later.
I visited just over half, but only a few of those (the 3 I was considering applying early to) before I applied. A few others, such as my sister's college, one very near to my house, etc., I was familiar with but did not specifically go visit before applying.
I only did one overnight visit before applications, it was to one of the schools I was seriously considering applying early to.
Between applying and official acceptances, I did overnight programs at two schools where I was being considered for scholarships, but those visits were paid for by the schools themselves, not by me.
I only did overnight visits after acceptances to the three schools I was most seriously considering, and did a day visit to one other.
My mother's opinion was that I should apply to a lot of schools, and then visit the ones I was serious about attending after they accepted me, because it is cheaper to pay a $50-70 application fee than to visit that many schools when I might not even be accepted in the end.
ETA: Some of the schools are mentioned more than once above (example: both the school near my house and my sister's school eventually got overnight visits) - I didn't apply to like 30 places.
The worst $$$ is the NYU audition. We are wanting to make the most of a trip to NYC and ofc, there are many decisions to be made as to how we want to go about this. Do we take the train down or drive? Stay in NYC or NJ? Lots of people have told us to skip staying in Manhattan and stay in Jersey, in that case we would drive down for sure but if we stay in Manhattan we will probably take the train at least for some portion of the trip.
Has anyone had any experience with Priceline for getting a hotel in Manhattan?
With our current senior, we've visited 8 schools over 3 trips (2 schools have been seen twice, to permit interviews). She eliminated 2 schools from her list after visiting, and there are 2 schools on her final list that she hasn't seen yet.
I think the question of affordability is a smart one, and I hope that admissions departments are aware that it is a concern for many parents, not just those below a middle-class income. Our travel funds are not, um, inexhaustible. It's fine for schools to look for expressed interest, but sometimes even a very low-cost trip is just not possible.
Now h.s. senior son is going through the process and he has visited all but two of the six schools to which he applied. If those two are in the final mix he will visit them during his spring break (which fortunately is not the colleges' spring break time), and I am hoping he does an overnight at any school he is considering saying "yes" to.
Wow, in the future we will be able to plan vacations without college locations factored in!
One school that recruited my S wanted him to come for an unofficial (summer) visit. Several time zones away -- I thought maybe on their dime in September. They dropped out. Another school, this one in an *adjacent* time zone, offered an unofficial summer visit, and we did fly out to check it out. Yes, it cost about $1000 for the trip -- airfare, rental car, hotel, meals. I might have done it for a few hundred less, but I wanted S to really see the area. That school eventually did make an offer -- and it would have included some athletic scholarship dollars -- but at that point he had already committed to his first choice.
I should note that he committed in JULY to his first choice school and had a verbal acceptance in AUGUST before his final year. For his sport, at that level, it happens *that* early.
2. Visited 8 prior to application
3. We visited about 15 schools starting when DD was a freshman. Not all were tour/info sessions, we may have been in the area for sports or vacation, just getting a feel for the school and spreading out the process (and the outlay of money). In the beginning I think it served as a weeding out or elimination process and helped all of us figure out what types of schools appealed to her. At that early stage we hadn't even asked her whether she wanted to be at a big school/small school, urban/rural, liberal arts/science technical. Without even talking about those things it became clear that she was looking for a broad education, not one directed to the sciences. It also allowed for return visits to schools she really liked.
Starting the summer after sophomore year, we bunched visits by location and that was our vacation for the summer - not the most relaxing, but memorable. We tried to be frugal, stayed in some sketchy hotels and still laugh about the accommodations.
Two tips given by prior posters are important - Make sure you visit and find a safety that you love. Find one they would be really happy to attend and you can afford. I sometimes think we spend too much time focused on the dream schools.
While we visited a lot of schools, DD didn't do any overnights until after she was accepted. By then it was late in her senior year and missing school wasn't as critical as it would have been earlier. We also didn't want her to become too attached to her dream schools or the kids who went there because she knew they were long shots.
Good luck, pack lots of cheap & healthy snacks, and enjoy the experience.
PS - One thing all the tours did for me is make me realize how many truly outstanding kids there are in this country. We hear all this talk about how we are falling behind in education, but when I looked around the campuses I realized that our kids are amazingly bright, organized, ambitious, and ready to take on the world.
Working with the school calendar was also key. Starting at the summer after sophmore year, we took every in-service day available when we could or days like Presidents day weekend or Martin Luther King Day when colleges were open and our kids public hs was closed. Granted, this is very difficult when kids are involved in a time-sucking ec, but that's all the more reason to start a bit early.
Yes, we use the in-service days and holidays, too. DS's school only offers a VERY limited number of days for college visits, but we learned the summer after soph year that it is best to visit when schools are in session. DS likes to talk to profs and sit in on classes while we 'rents do the tour. Eat on campus -- it's cheaper than restaurants. We also make lunch the main meal of the day. Alternatively, we find a loaf of fresh bread and cheese and picnic.
DS has three days off in February (different weeks), so he might take an overnight or two and shack up with some friends at one or two schools on his list.
Depending on your kid, you might consider letting them take a trip or two alone. (Saves $$, too.) Since DS is looking at schools both near and far, we thought this would be a good way to see if he really could tolerate the hassles of travel. (He flew for one trip, took Amtrak for another.) He then used public transit on the ground. He has been a traveler all his life, though, and airports, delays, etc. don't bother him, so this might not work for every kid.
I think it's key to explore each colleges website and look for unique offerings for visits. I just realized that I mispoke about son's out of state college visits. I went with him on two oos visits, Vermont and Virginia, but he went by himself to two others.
DW and I stayed in Priceline hotels in 3 different cities while DS overnighted in dorms. Got pretty nice hotels for around $50 per night.
If the colleges had been scattered across the country I doubt that we would have visited them all prior to admissions/finaid decisions. In that case some prioritization would have been done and visits to the top 2 or three scheduled.