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MTguy17MTguy17 Registered User Posts: 17 New Member
edited August 2008 in Elon University MT
Average HS stats for BFA MT?

Please? :-)
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  • soozievtsoozievt Registered User, ! Posts: 31,536 Senior Member

    I notice you have been asking this same question on many of the MT specific program forums. For one thing, at many schools, the stats of admitted students for the BFA are not published or separated out from the stats of admitted students to the university itself. THOSE stats are published in many places and so you need to start looking these up and then come to the forum to ask questions that are not answered in books and college websites (such as people's experiences in these programs).

    You could take out from the libary....one or more of these:
    The Fiske Guide To Colleges
    The Princeton Review's 345 Best Colleges
    Peterson's (a college directory)
    USNews and World Report's annual college edition

    Also, check: Each college's own website that usually lists stats of admitted freshmen either under admissions, fast facts, or in the Common Data Set.
  • MTguy17MTguy17 Registered User Posts: 17 New Member
    Soozievt-- I appreciate your response. That said, my primary use of this forum is not to learn of other's experiences. It's easy to find general undergrad admission stats (with Princeton Review, College Board, US News & World Report, etc) but like you said, a lot harder to find average stats specific to BFA programs. That's why I'm here; to learn about such schools and see if different programs have different GPA/SAT requirements. Thank you for your input. It's clear you're incredibly knowledgeable about many schools/application procedures listed throughout this forum.
  • soozievtsoozievt Registered User, ! Posts: 31,536 Senior Member
    MTGuy, I truly doubt that the data you seek is even available....the stats of those admitted to BFA programs. I think the stats that will be told to you by most programs are the published stats for that university overall. Perhaps there may be a school that gives out stats for its specific program, but that is often not published. On UMich's site, they give avg. stats for the Music School but that is not specific to the BFA in MT Program itself.

    In selecting colleges, when you evaluate your odds academically, I suggest you look at the academic stats of admitted students published by the admissions office. That is what I use and I advise many applicants.

    Then, each program handles admissions differently.

    I'll just mention that at most BFA colleges, the audition counts a larger percent of the decision than the academics (exception is NYU/Tisch which counts each 50% of the admissions decision). However, each school handles it differently. Some schools have a bifurcated process whereby the admission to the college and admission to the BFA are two separate processes (examples: Marymount Manhattan, Elon, Pace) . There are some schools that require the student to first be admitted academically before the audition. (example: Indiana U) There are some schools that do an academic review first and invite you to audition (UMichigan and Wagner are examples) Then there are schools that make it one whole decision (examples: NYU/Tisch, Emerson, Ithaca, Syracuse). At the schools where it is ONE decision for admissions and not bifurcated, the student must obviously pass muster in the audition first and foremost but then the names of the kids that the BFA program wants are sent onto admissions for academic review. And the fact is that you can have an awesome audition but you still must be able to jump over the academic bar of that particular college. You have to be remotely in range of their academic qualifications. Given the competitiveness of these BFA in MT programs and there are more talented/qualified kids than they can accept, they can find kids with the artistic talent who also pass their academic bar for admissions. At schools with a bifurcated process, you have to be able to gain admissions into the university in and of itself with no connection to your audition.

    The good news is that there are many fine and very selective BFA in MT programs located within colleges that are not that selective academically speaking. For example, a student who is top talent artistically who can't pass the academic bar at NYU, will not get in, no matter how talented. Schools won't dismiss the academics in other words, even if the audition is the biggest piece (which it is at most schools). But there are schools where the academics to get in are not as difficult.
  • MotherBearMotherBear Registered User Posts: 25 New Member
    MT Guy, My D was accepted to Elon's BFA program and will start in the fall. I don't think they have published BFA stats, but in some recent correspondence, the school said that for the incoming class, the HS GPA was 3.9 percent. (This figure was not specific to the BFA program). My D did have a 4.0 in HS, SAT scores were good (not great)...but these stats are only part of the equation for admittance anywhere. I do know of another student (interested in Sociology) with an equal GPA, higher SAT scores, lots of school/community involvement), etc., who was waitlisted at Elon. Although my D's stats were within Elon's criteria, I think my D's audition and interest in the BFA program may have been the deciding factor for her admittance. I have no idea whether Elon would admit a talented student if their stats were "low", but haven't seen any stats particular to the BFA program.
  • mtdog71mtdog71 Registered User Posts: 498 Member
    Here's the real deal. Call the department at Elon and ask what their SAT, GPA, and any other initials' threshold is for being academically admitted. If you do not "make the grade", ask if they do have any special admissions policy for a very talented person who does not quite meet the measure academically. I would suggest you do the same for any other program that you are interested in. This will give the actual, current, and acurate information you seek.

    Good Luck!
  • Hope2bELONmomHope2bELONmom Registered User Posts: 65 Junior Member

    I know that there are no published stats, as mentioned above. Interestingly enough, just in conversations with other moms of accepted Elon MT, I have heard of HS GPAs varying from over a 4.0 to below a 3.5

    I do not honestly remember anyone discussing SAT scores, but a few mentioned ACT scores which were, I believe, averaging 28

    Mind you, these are absolutely unofficial, and are just snippets of conversations. Scores may actually average slightly more or less.

    You can always contact the Dept of Performing Arts at a school and see if they have stats to answer your question. I do not think it is an unreasonable question at all--there just may not be stats on it!
  • soozievtsoozievt Registered User, ! Posts: 31,536 Senior Member
    I can't imagine that the stats for the BFA in MT students at Elon differ from the stats of the student body at large. Elon has a bifurcated admissions process. You must be admitted to the university in a separate process from the admissions into the program. Thus, I believe the range of stats of admitted students to the BFA in MT program would correlate with those that are published by Elon for the admitted students to the university itself.
  • Georgia30720Georgia30720 Registered User Posts: 230 Junior Member
    According to College Board and US News, published academic stats for accepted students at Elon are:

    Average GPA: 3.9 (not sure if that is weighted or unweighted)
    Mid-range SAT Verbal: 560-650
    Mid-range SAT Math: 570-660
    Mid-range SAT Writing: 560-660
    ACT composite: 23-28

    When we went to audition last year, a parent asked during the Q&A session about how much academics counted for admission, and we were told it was "important." It definitely is a 2-part process, and we waited anxiously for an academic acceptance, and then for MT. We also heard from an Elon parent that there occasionally has been a student accepted for MT who was not accepted academically.
  • Hope2bELONmomHope2bELONmom Registered User Posts: 65 Junior Member
    Yes Soozievt you are absolutely right. So if MTguy17 was wondering if the stats seemed lower for the MT students than the general student body, the answer is no.

    I read in a previous post that there have been students accepted to Elon MT but not accepted academically. Since academic admission to the university is mandatory, those students could not attend Elon MT. That must have been absolutely heartbreaking
  • britbrat1961britbrat1961 Registered User Posts: 474 Member
    This may be old news, but I just found the stats tool on the college board website. I signed into my son's profile to update his AP scores and found that I could pull up any school and it would merge his stats into the graph for the school showing how he "stacks up". It is a tremendously helpful tool to show how one rates at last academically for each one of these schools.
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