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RPI Summer ARCH program - Run away

RPIparent77RPIparent77 Registered User Posts: 21 Junior Member
RUN AWAY FROM RPI!! My daughter is now about to start the ARCH program and it is nothing short of ridiculous!! I was told when entered as a Freshman I could get her off campus and help with the insane housing costs that RPI charges. I knew about the ARCH but was told she did not have to live on campus. No staff had any clear information when she came in as a Freshman other than it would be the first group of students into the program. The internal staff has no idea what is happening- still!! , I have to move her 3 times for this so called "program" that is clear that it is because RPI needs revenue! Move her out of the current 2 weeks later move her into a dorm, then move her out of the dorm wait another 2 weeks and into Fall housing (if there is enough) that will need to also be on campus because who rents for 3 months?? Landlords want a full year lease! I am certain that RPI knew that this would be the case!! If I was a student looking at schools I would RUN AWAY from RPI! Also, Ms. Jackson has the system figured out...when the students get to this point of their education they cannot transfer into a different equivalent school because often they will have too many credits completed. So, my daughter is literally STUCK there! Also, they are charging more for the summer housing than I have paid for single room housing and they are being treated as freshmen! They have zero housing options and being told that not all dining halls will be open for the summer. However, we are paying top dollar and charged stupid "Arch activity fees"! Also Troy is not a nice area so off campus housing is hard to find where they are safe.

Also - to add they are not helping the students much finding opportunities, and they have to chose their off semester with zero knowledge of where they may work. Note - not many companies hire for fall term, and a 2.5 month co-op because of the holidays. No-one at RPI will share that info with the students though! Once they make the choice they are locked in - again a complete scam!! I would ask Ms. Jackson to help justify the cost with her absurd yearly earnings as the highest paid president of all colleges in the US! I do not feel that this school provides what it claims and charges for.

That was just the financial side.... this school is ranked in the top 50 most effort and work put toward their studies... now do that with zero break! My daughter will be in school at RPI for 4 straight semesters with only a couple weeks off before "hopefully" finding a co-op January 2020. Currently she is holding a 3.9 GPA, not sure how long that can last. Perhaps RPI thinks some stupid Arch activity will keep her motivated? (joke)

Also - don't try to call and discuss this with anyone at RPI, they do not return your calls nor emails. It is mandatory, that simple. Pull your kid out or pay the bill!
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Replies to: RPI Summer ARCH program - Run away

  • benee16benee16 Registered User Posts: 25 Junior Member
    I am so sorry your family is going through this. Thank you for posting. WPI and RPI are my son's top choices although WPI has the edge. My husband is an RPI alumni so my son is giving it consideration. I am really saddened to hear of such greed from a school run by what seems to be a dictator. I am doing my best to push my son away from this school, but ultimately it's his choice. We will be attending the Accepted Student Day. It will be interesting to hear what is said about it. I will be asking questions, but of course, I wonder if they will answer.
  • intparentintparent Registered User Posts: 36,881 Senior Member
    Just curious, what are they charging for housing? Wonder how it compares with housing at different colleges for students in summer housing.
  • annamomannamom Registered User Posts: 1,449 Senior Member
    @intparent I saw a post on reddit on the summer housing cost. I suspect the problem is not because it may or may not be more expensive than other colleges for summer housing. The problem is that it is mandatory for a junior and in the summer. In some cases, as in the case of @RPIparent77 's kid, he has to move out, move back in , move out and move back in again. RPI does not seem to care. I have heard parents plan to just pay for the summer housing but live off campus.
  • intparentintparent Registered User Posts: 36,881 Senior Member
    The specific gripe above is the cost. I’d like to know the numbers to see if the gripe is “real” or sour grapes.
  • annamomannamom Registered User Posts: 1,449 Senior Member
    @intparent which school has mandatory summer housing for junior?
  • intparentintparent Registered User Posts: 36,881 Senior Member
    edited April 5
    Few, but plenty have summer programs where kids live in dorms on campus. It just doesn’t seem that crazy to me. And regarding internships — schools do expect kids to put in the elbow grease in their search for coop or internship semesters. A different school likely wouldn’t hand it to the kid on a silver platter. I’ve seen hundreds of posts about this school, snd this one stands at it as having a much more negative tone than most. Again — what is that “insane” dorm fee?
  • RPIparent77RPIparent77 Registered User Posts: 21 Junior Member
    Yes - you said it correct. My rant is about cost and the way its being pushed. These kids have zero housing option. They are being put into freshman dorms with a hallway bathroom and needing a significant meal plan with very little dining options. I am part of an engineering family I understand the co-op need and doing the work to get the position. I dont feel it should be provided to them literally. However, learning that these kids are really on their own compared to other schools support and connections. If they are going to mandate something and make a change this big they should provide options and fair choices so all feel part of the plan. Blessed my child is rooming with a great friend, however Fall semester Is still an unknown. Typically the student stays in the same place for the year - this should be no different. Instead paying an additional cost to move many times. I have been told they are allowing them to leave their items in the current housing, leave for 2 weeks then move it to summer housing. However....this seems to be mass confusion and uncertainty also. I just dont feel this is ready to implement, I hope they prove me wrong. Registering for classes seemed positive compared to other semesters so thats a plus. After all that is why they are there.

    I am not wealthy and going into this these were not costs I budgeted for. In fact I quote financial aid “once you get to Jr year it will get much easier you can get the housing costs down significantly” I suppose if money is of no concern this is not the thread for you. This is a very expensive school and out of reach for some. I do my best to provide the opportunity my child has earned, however feel very mislead.
  • annamomannamom Registered User Posts: 1,449 Senior Member
    edited April 6
    @intparent therefore as I understand you are not aware of any school that requires junior to live on campus during summer . I am not sure how it can be an apple to apple comparison as far as cost is concerned. In addition, it is not like the OP can send the kid to the other school. IMO, a more relevant comparison may be on campus vs off campus housing.
  • annamomannamom Registered User Posts: 1,449 Senior Member
    I don't think parents expect the school hands their kids an internship in a silver platter, but in the case, the kids are required to take a full course load during the summer and in some cases, taking full course load in 4 semesters (fall, spring, summer and fall) because of the requirement of an away semester. As I read, kids reported that during the career fairs, many companies did not know the kids were looking for fall/spring internship. My kid is a freshman, I hope that it is going to be a success.
  • Shiprock1976Shiprock1976 Registered User Posts: 32 Junior Member
    edited April 6
    Blocking students from obtaining a summer internship opportunity is hindering their career advancement not helping it. Mandating expensive on campus housing to those that can't afford it.. What an ill conceived program! Who would want to deal with that if they have a choice? I predict RPI will have a lower yield this year.
  • lccr515lccr515 Registered User Posts: 5 New Member
    Is there enough dissatisfaction among parents and students that they can band together and simply refuse to pay for on campus housing this summer? I say this because you all are consumers and are paying that school cumulative millions to be there, although I get that your students are already half way through their program and may seem stuck with no choice. It seems that parents should be putting some financial pressure on the school to rethink this process. I know my son was accepted for next year and I am having serious reservations about him attending.
  • annamomannamom Registered User Posts: 1,449 Senior Member
    ^^If the problem is not resolved, the students would be considered withdrawn from RPI.
  • Spark2018Spark2018 Registered User Posts: 69 Junior Member
    I posted this on the RIT vs RPI thread, but applies here too:

    annamom Please rollback on my comments across many of the RPI threads, as I hit on many. I looked at yours and think you have some posts dead on. I love the 'silver platter' comment. My son will soon be raising sophomore and maybe when he is closer to ARCH I will have a different view. If I do, I will certainly fess up. Many of the negative comments could equally apply to other similar programs, like at NorthEastern ... housing, timing, availability, guidance, etc. I know via a close friend currently attending it is no silver platter (but certainly light years ahead of RPI). In part the difference is years of execution and it being the norm. I have not seen the published data. I don't doubt that some/many may not be thrilled with ARCH, but the 'uproar on campus' is not accurate, at least those my son is in contact with. When we were deciding the idea of giving up a summer family vacation was certainly an issue. Realistically those opportunities diminish as they get older. Yes, the cost for the summer comes sooner than planned, but it is not in addition to what we expected. Beyond the specific issues, it sort of blows my mind that the students at RPI are a pretty smart group, mostly studying engineer and the sciences. The core skill set is problem solving. Where am I going to live, and how do I find a coop/internship/job seem easier than the homeworks in CS Data Structures. Some choice and flexibility with ARCH would be better, but so would a lot of things in life. Some position ARCH as a grand conspiracy by SJ as a power play and money grab. I don't see that as the motivation.
  • Ultramarine777Ultramarine777 Registered User Posts: 59 Junior Member
    How is ARCH different from what Northeastern offers (if someone has any knowledge of Northeastern) ? My son is trying to decide between these 2 schools and at Northeaster to do a co-op you have to also take summer sessions and stay on campus for that. Is it the same concept at RPI so during ARCH you just take classes to compensate for the semester of the co-op?
  • randomdude532randomdude532 Registered User Posts: 35 Junior Member
    @Spark2018 is someone who seems incredibly adamant to defend something he knows nothing about, wait until your son/daughter goes through the program before being so outspoken on the issue. I don't know last time you were applying to entry level jobs, internships or co-ops as an engineering student but it is extremely extremely competitive today and most of them are based on school relationships.

    If you search "RPI Summer Arch Reddit", you will find many students and their actual experiences with the program.

    The essential differences between Northeastern and RPI (or any established co-op program) is the Summer Arch semester away is a "semester to explore", meaning that RPI doesn't take any responsibility for what you do that semester. It's their way of wiping their hands clean of having any responsibility of helping you find a co op or any other activity. They don't proactively reach out to potential employers who may be searching for co-ops and students are simultaneously unaware of what companies hire co-ops because the majority of them are school relationship based.

    At Northeastern, RIT or U Cincinnati the career center has established industry connections that knows their students go on co-ops. It greatly improves the chances of their students landing co-ops and almost all of them do.
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