<p>Maybe they are on their CC app on their phone 
Talk about fear of missing out ;)</p>
<p>This is as good a time as any to ask this question?
How common are these " Dad has me for summer vacation " type trips- to theme parks and resorts for senior year?</p>
<p>I know that oftimes kids in the vicinity of DisneyWorld go there to celebrate graduation, and high schools often have something after graduation itself, like a cruise around the Sound or an all night party at the local funplex( which Ive chaperoned a few times), but as far as a trip involving hotels and airfare- those at least attempt to be education related.
Novel, eh?</p>
<p>The first time each of my kids was on an airplane it was for a school related trip.<br>
Our proletariat upbringing is perhaps responsible for our expectation that they dress and behave a certain way for travel- it is a special occasion!
I admit I havent been able to influence them too much in dress- although at least they are covered, but they don’t expect to behave in the cabin, the same way they do in their bedroom.</p>
<p>One thing that the schools stress is that if they are on a school trip, school rules apply.
It doesnt mean they are always perfectly behaved though.
One of my favorite stories involves a mom who regularly chaperoned kids on international trips( well known high school orchestra that performs around the world)
They were in Japan, where students are not as boisterous in public.
The mom grew tired of inquiries about where they were from, ( after an incident or two) so she started replying " San Francisco". ;)</p>
<p>My oldest went on a trip with juniors and seniors backpacking through the Canyonlands/four corners region senior year.
The classes were split up once they arrived - juniors with a rigorous itinerary that was supposed to supplement their preparedness for their senior year, the seniors had a more reflective schedule. ( they all were gone almost three weeks- one year they had a kid who was caught with a joint. He was removed from the trip and had to be released to his parents. So in general I think they recognize their responsibility to behave or bear the consequences)</p>
<p>My youngest also had a trip of almost three weeks senior year, it was the culmination of a year long class in refurbishing computers with the goal to take the computers to a developing region and install them.
Her group went to Ghana, where one of the counselors was also a village chief. Not quite so plush as a resort, the village does not have electricity or running water. ( the majority of their stay was at another village)</p>
<p>The sponsoring schools were a secular private and a urban public, not religious.
I dont hear about local entertainment style trips senior year( especially when hosted by the school- parents expect more from the schools, even senior year)</p>
<p>I can see where perhaps some people take public transportation for granted and are numb to their fellow passengers comfort, but travel should actually make you * more aware* of others, not less.</p>
<p>I can easily imagine how it went down after hearing that the chaperones weren’t even sitting with the students, and the justification of " They weren’t that bad"!
You know as soon as they said " it wasn’t " that" disruptive", that it was disruptive and they know it.
:o</p>
<p>Its a shame that principal decided to issue a statement saying they would perform their own investigation, instead of an apology to the other students and passengers whose trip was disrupted as well as to the workers who were trying to do their job.
What is that teaching the students? Accountability?
Not so much.
:rolleyes:</p>
<p>jym, “filet of sole”? Really? You should be ashaaaaaaamed. So ashaaamed.</p>
<p>Was that a flat-footed pun, hayden??</p>
<p>Yeah, I don’t really care about the chaperones when these kids are this old. Personally, if my kid was involved in something like this, they’d have a hard time with me when they got home, and they’d be writing apologies and they would be donating their “voucher” to Make a Wish.</p>
<p>I’m pretty disappointed that the school is not choosing to approach this in a way I would do myself. But, even if my kid’s school were approaching it this way, I would not be doing so at home.</p>
<p>My older daughter says that even 6 years out she doesn’t want to think about what Mr J would have done if any of them had acted up. She was terrified of one of the chaperones, too.
They were told that they were representing their school and school rules applied. Much like when I travel for business, I am representing my company. I’m usually terrified that I will fall asleep and start snoring, thus creating an international incident.</p>
<p>These were SENIORS. Maybe they’d been drinking (which wouldn’t be particularly surprising), though it was bit early in the day for that, I would think. I can’t imagine that they wouldn’t at least be suspended. By their age, actually a bit younger, my youngest had traveled to Cairo to study, and my older one had gone to help with tsunami victims. </p>
<p>It’s disgusting that some of the students want to play the victim.</p>
<p>When you are ejected from a plane for cause, are you always given a voucher?</p>
<p>I find myself imaging this group as hyper, excited and motor-mouth talkative. Given their age as seniors, I’m also surprised a subgroup among them didn’t exert a bit if peer self-correcting pressure (“c’mon guys, knock it off, settle down”) as soon as the first requests were made by airline staff. The absence of that seems unusual to me. Usually by that age, in a school where people likely know each other very well, a few leaders among the students will rein in the others to cooperate in public.</p>
<p>I cant get over that we havent seen a youtube video yet!</p>
<p>It seems like a bit of an unnecessary stretch to hypothesize that the yeshiva students might have been drinking. Where is the evidence that these students were doing so? Not a generalization form other studies, but any evidence that these students were drinking before their 6 am flight? </p>
<p>Interesting how differently people view the same situation [100</a> Brooklyn Yeshiva Students Kicked Off Flight – Daily Intelligencer](<a href=“http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/06/100-brooklyn-yeshiva-students-kicked-off-flight.html]100”>Brooklyn Yeshiva Calls Shenanigans After 100 Students Are Kicked Off Flight)</p>
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<li>this article says they were up at 4 am <a href=“http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/us/new-york-students-off-plane/index.html[/url]”>http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/03/us/new-york-students-off-plane/index.html</a> While their behavior was inexcusable, postulating that “it wouldnt be particularly surprising” if they were dirinking" is a generalization without evidence in this particular incident.</li>
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<p>“Tsuris on the Tarmac” - best quote. Shut up and sit down.</p>
<p>Look at the quotes from the article,</p>
<p><<<“According to Wielgus, some students may have had to be told twice to sit down or turn off their phones, but everyone listened.”
“Wielgus said a “small group” of students in the back of the aircraft were chatty, but that did not warrant the flight crew to force an entire group of 109 people off the plane.”</p>
<p>“We were more behaved than kids should be,” he said.”<<<<<</p>
<p>It’s the “we weren’t **that ** bad” defense. Yes you were and the chaperones and the students have to own up to it. Maybe next time that the FA asks them to sit down or turn off their cell phone they will do it, knowing the consequences…
On the trips that my kids have taken for school or youth group, the rules were spelled out clearly before hand as well as the consequences for misbehavior. There was no misunderstanding on the part of student or chaperone or parent beforehand… Seems like that was lacking here.</p>
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<p>Why should there be any difference in their behavior whether Airtran or El Al? It’s sit down, turn off the phone, and fasten seat belts either way, yes?</p>
<p>Its not the difference in the behavior of the students. Its the difference in the procedures of the airlines and flights to/from Israel vs the US. You parsed my statement, taking it out of context, and misquoted what I said . The statement said " But these students are aware of the difference between flying Airtran and El Al".</p>
<p>I’d be curious to know what this group of students looked like. That is, were they all wearing the distinctive garb of very Orthodox Jews? If so, I would have concern that a group that looks “different” might be treated more harshly than another group. Any group of kids would be told–forcefully–to sit down and shut off their phones. But at what point would they be kicked off the plane? That’s what continues to give me a bit of pause about this incident.</p>
<p>Hunt, by the time the pilot is involved, you are already on your way out the door.</p>
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But does it depend on who “you” are? I think it’s a fair question to ask. Hopefully, the airline treats all groups of high schoolers the same. But history prevents me from assuming they do.</p>
<p>Not that it matters what they looked like, but here’s a photo that was on twitter [Brooklyn</a> Yeshiva Students Take To Twitter After Getting Kicked Off Plane: Gothamist](<a href=“http://gothamist.com/2013/06/05/brooklyn_yeshiva_students_take_to_t.php]Brooklyn”>http://gothamist.com/2013/06/05/brooklyn_yeshiva_students_take_to_t.php)</p>
<p>Pretty much look like everyone around here where I live. </p>
<p>Look, they kick people off of airplanes for not being under control. It’s already firmly established that “flying” is not a right.</p>
<p>The captain is responsible for the safety of the aircraft.</p>
<p>If, in the judgment of the captain, a passenger or passengers were endangering the safety of the others, he made the only choice he could have made.</p>
<p>The idea that some passengers were only somewhat disruptive and therefore should have been cut some slack by that mean ol’ hateful captain who doesn’t like teenagers or Jews is ludicrous and something about which there is no point speculating.</p>