<p>jym626–you seem to like to entertain. It’s a shame you didn’t know they were coming to Atlanta. You could have invited them over. No “empty nest” with that going on.</p>
<p>By the way, there is some decent rafting in Pa. Much closer to “home.”</p>
<p>Sorry 07DAD, Have other plans to entertain family and a large group of friends for my upcoming birthday. They’ll have to get themselves rerouted to Dallas so you can entertain them.</p>
<p>Advanced Happy Birthday Jym626! Toot! Toot! Hitting the big four oh milestone. ;)</p>
<p>I don’t think the airline should’ve given them vouchers for future travel!</p>
<p>jym626–congrats! How does it feel to turn 39? Your boys showing up?</p>
<p>If you will fly them down here to Dallas I know I can find them something to do. I have a lot of yardwork. Best place for 100 HS kids --outside and where I can hose them down.</p>
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<p>That is a wonderful idea, poetgrl!</p>
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Let me say that I haven’t seen any evidence that these kids were discriminated against because they were Jewish or because they were religious. The photo posted of them makes that less likely, in my opinion–they don’t look different from any other group of kids.</p>
<p>But–while flying isn’t a right, it would be a violation of your rights to be treated more harshly because of your ethnicity or religion. Calling something a privilege doesn’t change that.</p>
<p>I dont think they were drinking. Although they had to be there so early, they might have just stayed up all night and so were a bit rummy.
But perhaps being from an expensive private school off to an expensive & frivolous summer trip gave them extra energy.
Whenever Ive seen large school groups off to early flights, everyone is half asleep and they are quite subdued.</p>
<p>Their supervisors from the school apparently did not feel that taking a large group of students in public warranted reassurance that they could behave appropriately in public.
For most of the students that was true, but for a significant group it was not.</p>
<p>Then it was compounded by statements from students saying things like " they were behaving better than kids * should* behave.
What does that even mean? They are either acting appropriately or they are not. The chaperone who said that they werent * that* far out of line- must have a very low bar for public behavior. :(</p>
<p>I do not agree with the student that accused the airline crew of being intolerant of their religion. That is a ridiculous statement in this instance I think, but it is the sort of thing a teen with a narrow viewpoint would say.</p>
<p>But I cannot imagine the principal of any local school that I am familiar with, responding to a shameful incident like the graduating class of students from his school being booted off a plane for being non-compliant, without a heartfelt apology to the crew and other passengers, but instead a vow that they are going to do their own investigation, like this was some big injustice perpetrated upon the group. ?</p>
<p>In another way however, I think it was a good learning experience for them,
the group learned that they aren’t above rules &
that they are there for a reason &
that they will be enforced.
Funny, but I would have thought that attending a religious school would have emphasized those things a little more- but what do I know? I have lived my life among the unchurched!
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<p>Thanks for the advanced birthday wishes 
Was going to ignore it but instead decided to celebrate the milestone with friends and family. Its turned into a bit of an event, but will be fun.</p>
<p>CC friends are welcome to share in the cyber birthday celebrations! We can start now!</p>
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<p>Okay, that makes no sense to me. I quoted your post #80 in its entirety, so how could it be either taken out of context or “misquoted”?</p>
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<p>The bolded text was my emphasis because that was the part of your statement which I didn’t really understand and hoped to get clarification on. I usually do note that the emphasis is mine, but I neglected to do so. If you have a problem with my bolding certain text which I wanted to address, say so. However, saying I “misquoted” you when I copied and pasted your entire post verbatim is unfair.</p>
<p>Cobrat—especially on planes, I would prefer folks take their calls outside:)</p>
<p>Nrdsb4-
You are right- I was not clear in what I was saying. I read your bolded part and your emphasis as a misinterpretation of my focus, which is the difference between the procedures of El Al vs Airtran (not the difference between the behavior of the kids). Its like comparing the school safety patrol to a SWAT team. Both are law enforcement-- with differing intensities. Bad analogy, but its been a long day…</p>
<p>Hope that helps, and apologies for the confusion.</p>
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<p>IDK if they learned anything. It sounds to me adults around them are acting as if they are mistreated.</p>
<p>Tuition at this school is $37,000 a year!
[Yeshivah</a> of Flatbush Joel Braverman High School in Brooklyn, New York vs York Pr…](<a href=“http://schools.nycprivateschoolsblog.com/compare/131627-131635/Yeshivah-of-Flatbush-Joel-Braverman-High-School-vs-York-Preparatory-School]Yeshivah”>http://schools.nycprivateschoolsblog.com/compare/131627-131635/Yeshivah-of-Flatbush-Joel-Braverman-High-School-vs-York-Preparatory-School)</p>
<p>Not to say that all private schools are like this, there are rich private school grads who are model citizens, socially responsible and aware that their wealth doesn’t make them special. </p>
<p>But this is the other extreme. The wealth explains the bad behavior and the parents’ defense of their kids…children of privilege with a sense of entitlement whose parents give them everything and think their snowflakes can do no wrong.</p>
<p>^^^LOL puppylove!</p>
<p>^That’s the tuition listed for York Prep school. The tuition for Flatbush isn’t listed. </p>
<p>Much of Jewish education is academic- Hebrew, Jewish history, and study of texts, and the only way to get this kind of education in the US is through a Jewish day school which includes these subjects and regular academic courses. For more observant families, this becomes a priority, and for some, a hardship as well. Most schools have financial assistance, but some families can pay the full fee. Orthodox families consider this to be a necessity, along with Kosher food, and living in a neighborhood near a temple so they can walk. While I wouldn’t disagree that some parents may dote on their snowflakes, the desire for kids to be in Jewish school is more cultural/religious than doting. Some Jewish families are not able to afford the cost of this environment, so they are now moving to less costly areas and starting less expensive schools.
Yes, it is a religious school, but spirituality is different from religion, and teens may have intellectual knowlege of their religion but not grasp the full ideas yet. I am sure that they are taught how to behave, and how to treat others, but these teens are not different from any other teens. 100 overexcited and tired teens of any background can get out of control, and these teens did. The consequences should be the same for everyone and it is embarassing to me that they think they were targeted.
The airline crew needs to have control on the plane and compliant passengers for the safety of everyone involved. They probably decided it was best to ask them to leave while the plane was on the ground rather than risk an unexpected landing if they continued to act up. Recently a plane had an emegency landing to disembark a woman who would not stop singing loudly when the crew asked her to. In both these cases it was because of non compliant behavior.</p>
<p>I don’t think wealth explains any of this. Some of the most well behaved, well mannered children I know are wealthy. It’s the manners. </p>
<p>Please, thank you, excuse me, etc…</p>
<p>This thread is riddled with misunderstandings and assumptions. If you know the culture you’ll know that many yeshiva students are poor but the jewish community scholarships their tuition in part. IME its also a loquacious voluble culture , and it doesn’t surprise me they were sounding noisy and excited on a school trip early in the morning. I am sure they should have applied the many lessons intrinsic to their studies about listening and cooperating, but if they didn’t they learned there were consequences, which is a lot of the storyline of every h.s. senior’s life. That some fools spoke knee-jerk and wrongly about discrimination proves that among 100 students some are immature or called it wrong, not surprising. Take any 100 h.s.seniors anywhere and you’ll find some tweet with a juvenile understanding of others motives. It’s a non-story to me, just generating reaction because it involves kids on a plane in a large group. That’s my take, anyway.</p>
<p>I think that there is always more to a situation. Unless you heard a full interview from the flight attendants and passengers not involved, you probably would not have the entire story. I’d expect you would not get an accurate depiction from the teenagers involved, unless they were not part of the obnoxious crowd and didn’t mind speaking out the truth. Unlikely.</p>
<p>I’ve had flights where the flight attendants are pretty heavy handed. Makes me want to roll my eyes and tell them a thing or two. But, nobody wants to start deplaning passengers. Especially not 100 of them. That is a huge deal, a delay that affects flights downline the entire day, and is costly for the airline. It is unlikely they would do that unless they thought the pack of kids were completely uncontrollable. You can’t have most of the passengers ignoring you and acting like children. A few, they might not notice much, and probably could control. A huge pack, no way. The chaperones were not doing their jobs and should have stepped in immediately.</p>
<p>It was likely that many of the kids were so engrossed in talking and having fun, that they never even heard the announcements. Group think. The behavior of the school now is reprehensible. I am certain that if this had happened at my kids school, the administrators would be very apologetic, and the kids would be in huge trouble. It would have been an opportunity for learning, and I think these kids will not have learned a thing.</p>
<p>Oh, I think they heard it alright. Ignoring was probably part of the fun. A long time ago, when I traveled to Europe after graduation, I came across a young Japanese group at a foreign exchange. Their game was ignoring the cashier when their number was called daring each other who can ignore the call the longest. The line was long and we were all quite irritated.</p>