<p>I didn’t say I WISH for that O.~. I just said I’d die of happiness if it happens. Of course I wish/dream/hope to be accepted; if I’d die of happiness just to be wait-listed, imagine how wonderful it would be to be accepted.</p>
<p>Byerly, I wonder if you are trying to scare people. I would think you of all people would know that the yield rate for the likelies is going to be nowhere near 60%. The RD yield for Dartmouth as a whole is ~40%, so I would assume the likelies (who generally will have offers from stronger programs such as HYPSM) would attend at an even lower rate. I believe Williams expects 25% yield from its early admits, and I wouldn’t expect anything much different from Dartmouth.</p>
<p>Of course, we are still going to end up with an acceptance rate of 5-10%, and making distinctions within this range are essentially arbritrary and meaingless. But hey, who’s counting? :)</p>
<p>"(who generally will have offers from stronger programs such as HYPSM) "</p>
<p>you are a tool</p>
<p>I’m on my third cup of coffee that doesn’t seem to be waking this 49 year old sleeping beauty…but here is my rough take on the numbers (former CBO budget analyst… 
)-- correct me if I’m wrong:</p>
<p>14,000= Total applicants
of which:
2170 are accepted (15.5% of total who apply)
of which:
398 (2.8%)= Ed Accepted
500 (3.6%) RD acceptances — Likely Letter
1272(9.1%) RD acceptances --no Likely letter)</p>
<p>2.8% + 3.6% +9.1%= 15.5% accepted of 14,000 total
(3.6% +9.1%= 12.7 % Total RD Acceptances including likelies</p>
<p>So I guess 9% (shown above) for those who have not received likies is about what i figured and since my daughter was in the ranges, I don’t begrudge the application fee/time…</p>
<p>The most important issue is: what does the kid want to do with the rest of her life, and what is his or her intellectual passion? </p>
<p>And here’s comfort for those who get rejections on April 1: </p>
<p>An Ivy education is not necessarily a guarantee that you will find your path in life, especially if you have neglected to nurture your deep intellectual passion in the quest for “stat edge” and activity overload. I have personally known several Ivy/Elite grads who fell into this trap-- and they did not end up happy in their careers… they neglected their creative sides which they later came to regret…
So, make intellectual passion and balance your priority, and everything else will work out… Ivy can be just another word for ego-- which of course is necessary in life, but can also be a limitation to achieving potential if ego is the priority in the equation… let’s not forget that lots of nobel prize winners come out of humble state institutions…and many others have had stunningly successful and happy careers without Ivy sheepskin…
Finally, every human being on earth has equal value in the vineyard we call this world, and even though our talents may not all be equal, in the end, it’s about what you DO with the talents you have been given. </p>
<p>Will you have you cared for this vineyard and made it a better place when you leave it— or at the end of your life will you say: I had (or did not have)a golden sheepskin?</p>
<p>Anyway, to everyone here: the best of good luck in your quests for the wonderful golden sheepskin and keep the faith in your essential worth and value as a human being …whether you get in or not!</p>
<p>Those are great words of advice Clayvessel!!</p>
<p>there are also internationals and we dont get likelies so the percentage of US applicants accepted without likelies is probly even lower than 8% if you add our group.</p>
<p>International students do get likelies (if they are not applying for FA) and they are studying in the US.</p>
<p>Don’t forget that the RD pool also includes an undetermined (by me!) number of ED deferreds, at least some of whom will be admitted March 31. Whether you count them as additional ED admits or as RD admits, they have to be counted somewhere. I think Dartmouth counts them as RD admits, so the RD pool is actually a bit larger than you calculated it to be.</p>
<p>what do you mean they are studying in the US? of course that s why we apply to college there! but the actual international applicants group goes to high school abroad, in other countries…and my school has a really high rate of acceptance at all the top schools;…but noone ever ever got a likely letter…even those that got into great top schools so i wouldn t be too sure they send those to internationals because i 've always heard otherwise…</p>
<p>ps: byerly is right;…if you add up internationals + deferrees it changes all the number so I think the best thing is to just drop the calculator and wait til tomorrow! it s only 24hr away anyways…personally I m going crazy as it s so close…how do you guys cope?</p>
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<p>An international student is anyone who doesn’t have US citizenship. Most are in overseas high schools (i.e. Chinese citizenship at a high school in Beijing) but there are many at prep schools in the United States (Chinese citizenship studying at Exeter). Those in the US schools do receive likely letters. </p>
<p>But you are right. The letters have been mailed and you can check online tomorrow at 5PM. So time for all of the speculation has grown short…</p>
<p>I just want to take this time to wish everyone good luck. Hopefully, we can all see each other at Dartmouth next year (it really would be a beautiful thing). However, even if we are rejected, we’ll find a place that will make us comfortable. Let’s just hope for the best.</p>
<p>Sybbie-- you are a gentleperson and scholar.
Florette: Good luck to you and my daughter both!! I know you will love America.<br>
But please don’t take my calculator away-- it is a nice, big metallic baby pacifier with lots of shiny buttons that make soothing, relaxing clicking sounds, and it is a good substitute for the double martini, dry – shaken not stirred — that is forbidden to those of us over and under the age of 21 during times of STRESS… He he…</p>
<p>byerly-- yes, on closer examination, I see that the ED pool numbers are not included in the 14,000 RD total-- that shifts my nice neat totals a lot because the applicant pool is even larger than I had thought.</p>
<p>Good luck to all!</p>
<p>ok, i m in a good mood today clayvessel, you can keep your calculator!</p>
<p>yet, a kid from my hs, got deferred, rejected by Penn, got into no other ivies</p>
<p>RD, only kid to get into Dartmouth, he also got Wash U, everyone is shocked!!! big time, ppl think he is lying</p>
<p>he had a 92-93 GPA all honors/aps, good at sports, 1430 SAT</p>