<p>If f(x) = 4x^2 + 3x + sqrt(y+1) find f’'(x) where x = saxophones and y = sheet music</p>
<p>Take music classes in jazz theory and advanced classical composition and tell me that music majors don’t require skills in highly complex mathematics. You people are ridiculous for undermining something you know absolutely nothing about.</p>
<p>oops supposed to be f(x,y) lol effed that up.</p>
<p>Just because music theory “code” doesn’t solely reside in the system of Arabic numerals doesn’t mean that it doesn’t require the exact same thinking skills as higher-level mathematics and “puzzle”-esque thinking that is also required for subjects such as chemistry and computer programming.</p>
<p>Well what math classes do you take? If there is highly complex mathematics involved I assume they don’t just require you to learn it on your own. There must be math prerequisites for those classes. What are they?</p>
<p>Not “math” classes. I’m arguing about the point that it’s apparently not “quantitative.” Music Theory is a different mathematically based code entirely. Instead of algebraic equations, you have advanced part writing, counterpoint, and a whole slew of other more advanced “code-like” topics. Music degrees don’t require traditional math because our quantitative studies are in a different mathematical “language” written on sheet music.</p>
<p>Living with your brain must be a bit like trying to walk down the street with a paper bag over your head.</p>
<p>edit: this was to you<em>of</em>eh btw</p>
<p>Music actually amazes me, and musicians amaze me. There is no doubt what they do is extremely difficult and requires a tremendous amount of talent and knowledge.</p>
<p>This thread seems to have diverged a bit. I simply made a statement that there appears to be a strong correlation between the highest paying jobs/degrees and what people generally assume to be the most difficult majors. The common factor between the list of highest paying majors is the use of high level mathematics (aka “quantitative” degrees).</p>
<p>Obviously you can debate the difficulty of different majors on each list. I have no doubt that someone getting a B.M. from Juilliard is extremely talented and intelligent. Obviously the path to a BM from Juilliard is very rigorous.</p>
<p>However, in the real world (which this thread is pretty much dealing with because it addresses highest/lowest paying jobs related to degree) there is something known as a Degree in a Quantitative Field. I can assure you Music is not on that list.</p>
<p>It begs the question, why would someone get a degree in Music if their desire is to work in a quantitative field? Sure, they probably have the intelligence to work in that field, but they chose to get a degree in a major that excludes them from many of those quantitative jobs.</p>
<p>Okay I’ll admit I have no idea what you’re talking about. Sure maybe a couple classes require quantitative thinking. Are these required courses for the typical music major? Is there more than two of them? I’m just having a hard time believing that the typical music major has strong quantitative skills. </p>
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<p>Because I’m arguing that music isn’t a quant major? 99% of college students would make that argument. If I’m wrong then explain to me why I’m wrong, don’t just make brainless comments.</p>
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<p>Well considering you’re in High school, maybe you should take it first and then tell me.</p>
<p>Musical theory is pretty mathematical. I have taken a few courses and they kicked my ass because of my dyscalculia.</p>
<p>Does anyone else think the parity between math and applied math is a little weird?</p>
<p>Could it be that applied math majors were thinking about careers earlier, chose courses accordingly (e.g. some computer science, economics, finance, statistics, etc. to supplement the math courses), and hit the career center earlier? And pure math majors may have been thinking more about graduate school, but started looking for jobs late after either not getting into graduate school or deciding not to go to graduate school?</p>
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<p>You do realize that anatomy and physiology are the basis for the entire athletic training curriculum? And it builds from there. Athletic Training is an allied health profession that includes a large range of information. And it’s not just the courses that make it a difficult major; it’s the large amount of time put in at clinicals that adds to the rigor of the curriculum.</p>
<p>I’m sure Athletic Training can be quite rigorous. </p>
<p>However, it’s not commonly thought of as the “most difficult” majors around. It’s a respectable major, but with narrow focus. A&P can be difficult courses.</p>
<p>I’m assuming the reason why Athletic Training falls among the lowest paying jobs is because there are fewer job opportunities. It’s simple economics, the more people with the degree combined with the fewer job opportunities pushes the salaries down.</p>
<p>The pay which most musicians receive and the difficulty of the Major do not correlate. It is unfortunate, but do not assume for a moment that simply because we tend to be underpaid, what we do is easy. </p>
<p>The thing is, I don’t know of a single musician who has gone into this Major thinking it was going to earn them big bucks. If anyone does, then they need to reevaluate some things.</p>
<p>For the rest of us, we do this because we love it. I would honestly hope everyone goes into their respective undergrad and grad degree because they love it, not because they are automatically expecting to get rich quick. Competition is fierce in every field, and only those capable of thinking outside of a box and being intelligent and diligent will “succeed”, no matter what they study.</p>
<p>For what it’s worth, quite a few BM students go on to Law and Med school. The BM degree is highly looked upon by these institutions because if you were successful at achieving it, it demonstrates an intense personal discipline and passion. Music degrees (ANY degree, really) of any variety can be infinitely useful. It’s all up to the individual student and what they put their mind to.</p>
<p>so where is neurosurgery/ anything medicine related? Looks like i better start liking physics…</p>
<p>All this thread explains is why there are so many idiots stumbling through econ and other applied math degrees when they don’t belong here. It’s the convoluted payscale they expect after college. </p>
<p>Makes you wonder how much grade deflation the hard sciences and math really suffer from, and how much of it is just dispassionate, sub-par students weighing down the curves.</p>
<p>Personally, I think we should go back to the medieval Trivium and Quadrivium and forget all this newfangled stuff. If it was good enough for 12th-century Paris, then it’s good enough for me. </p>
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<p>Last time I checked you couldn’t become a neurosurgeon after 4 years of undergrad lol</p>