<p>Oops… I actually meant to write Overall Score not PA… lol.</p>
<p>gabriellah,
Finally, we agree and I think your sentiments were well expressed. Fit is the most important thing of all and the reality is that a student can have a terrific undergraduate experience at a great number of schools. Recently, unalove started a thread on the schools you wish you’d considered. If you have not seen it already, here is the link:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=382255[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showthread.php?t=382255</a></p>
<p>I have always felt this way, Hawkette, and it is not that I do not understand what you have always been trying to drive home: that there are many wonderful schools, with wonderfully intelligent and interesting kids, all over this country. Never, ever would I disagree with you about this. In fact, I know that you are 100% correct. I am not an efete ranking snob…not in the least. I think you can see that from the choices my childern were encouraged to make. Our only real difference comes from the faith I put in the peer assessment. I want to have confidence in some higher authority when I know that I do not have the knowledge on my own. I value professional opinion, and hope that I am getting a good one. I just think, that although our goals for the students are probably very similar, our perspectives on how we get there are different. All good intentions; all strongly held values.</p>
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<p>that’s old school</p>
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<p>Don’t be afraid to hit the “Enter” button a couple of times every now and then.</p>
<p>I think it’s silly to look at a change of .1 as a “drop” or an “increase” and to make rank distinctions based on such a fraction, particularly when the PA survey itself is so dubious as to its reliability. Any mathematicians or statisticians in the house who can tell me at what point differences in this type of scoring become significant ---- at half a point, .2, .1, etc. </p>
<p>Unless someone can say that fractions of a point are significant, I believe the only way to derive any value from this scoring category is to look at very broad groupings of PA quality rather than making a 1-2-3 type ranking of PA. Can anyone really say that a .1 or .2 difference in PA translates into a measurable difference in academic quality? It seems ludicrous. I don’t think it makes any sense to take a horse-race approach, with winners and losers judged by a hairsbreadth. Unless, of course, you’ve got some money riding on it.</p>
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<p>^^^ but the more ludicrous it is, the more “real” it gets.</p>
<p>so even though the PA is a total crock, that .1 or .2 differential actually does make a difference in this ranking simply due to the fact that the PA counts for a whopping 25% of your overall score.</p>
<p>LOL, Prestige…Just too lazy, tonight!</p>
<p>CoolaTroop,
I rather be a DramaQueen, than the Queen of Denial (not The Nile, that big river in Egypt, just in case once again you do not get it)</p>
<p>Selectivity Ranks, as I referred to in my post addressed to thethoughprocesss,</p>
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Yale 1
Princenton 3
Columbia 5
Brown 7
Dartmouth 7
UPenn 7
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DUKE 12 ( WELL DRAMATICALLY LOWER compared to the non HYP ivies he was referring to )</p>
<p>How did UF slip from 47 to 49 even though it’s more selective now than ever before (especially after the national championships)? I’m confused… :/</p>
<p>MovieBuff - Selectivity based on acceptance rate is deceiving…after all, Duke is in a city of 50,000 - Columbia in a city of 9,000,000. What is more important is the strength of the enrolling students.</p>
<p>It doesn’t matter if a bunch of kids apply to school A if the students who enroll aren’t as strong as the students at school B. Catch the point? In real terms - it doesn’t matter if Columbia or Brown have lower acceptance rates - the students who enroll at Duke are as strong or stronger statistically.</p>
<p>Btw, MovieBuff - Duke’s acceptance rate of like 21% isn’t dramatically lower than Brown, Dartmouth, or Penn with rates between 15-20% (or Columbia with like 12-13%, while still not enrolling higher caliber students despite being in NYC). A 1-2% fluctuation in each school would put them almost side-by-side (ie if Dartmouth goes from 16 to 18% and Duke from 21 to 19%).</p>
<p>Hey…can someone post Suny Binghamton’s admissions statistics from the new rankings? thanks.</p>
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Because admissions are only one of many factors in the US News ranking. Read the methodology. It would also be ignorant to believe that Florida, and only Florida is getting more selective. Nearly every school in the country is getting more applications, lower acceptance rates, and higher SAT score ranges.</p>
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<p>I just don’t understand why you would want to know this, it’s the same numbers that are on the SUNY website under the common data set, and it’s the same numbers that were on the College Board site a year ago. Here they are though.</p>
<p>Top 10 percent of high school class:49% Top 25 percent of high school class: 84% Top 50 percent of high school class: 98%
First-year students submitting high school class standing:27% Average high school GPA:3.7
First-year students submitting GPA:92%
First-year students submitting SAT scores: 94% </p>
<p>SAT scores (25/75 percentile):
Critical Reading:570 – 650 Math: 610 – 690 Combined: 1180 – 1340</p>
<p>John Hopkins? What’s that?</p>
<p>It does look like Johns Hopkins is the big winner this year for greatest gainer.</p>
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<p>While it does feel good to be at number 1 without a tie, we totally got SHAFTED ONCE AGAIN in the LAC rankings. Harvey Mudd 15th??? Give me a frikken break USNWR…</p>
<p>I’m going to Pton so I should be happy, but MIT does not deserve to be so low :(</p>
<p>I don’t think that anybody can say that seventh place, no matter what the university, is “low”.</p>
<p>I don’t think it’s a question of MIT being too “low”
It’s not HYPS. So really, it should fall in the 4-7 range.
It’s the fact that Penn is 2 spots above it, and Penn is perceived as being a lower Ivy.</p>
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<p>Mid ivy. The “lower” ivies are Dartmouth, Cornell, and arguably Brown.</p>