<p>USC number 26, moving on up baby. Always proud to be a Trojan</p>
<p>^ Go Condoms! :D</p>
<p>I wonder how much u$c admins paid to be moved up in the rankings…</p>
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Whatever that means. It’s true, of course, that Wharton is a strong presence on Penn’s campus. But Penn also has the College of Arts and Sciences with 6400 students (as many or more than in the undergrad liberal arts components of the other Ivies–and even U. Chicago!), and substantially more top-10 and top-20 liberal arts departments than Brown and Dartmouth and a comparable number to Columbia and Cornell. I’d also venture to say that in general, the liberal arts undergrads at Penn are no more preprofessional (i.e., focussed on getting into law school, med school, etc.) than are their counterparts at the other Ivies.</p>
<p>unhappyhighschoolermedstudent- People who go to Rice are usually not particularly interested in Duke. The schools are quite different (and both excellent). </p>
<p>I’m not flaming you for saying Penn is overrated. I’m challenging you because you don’t know what you are talking about and you are a ■■■■■. A ■■■■■ with a particular axe to grind against Penn.</p>
<p>What 45 Percenter said is correct. While Penn may give an impression of being particularly pre-professional due to the Wharton presence, if you actually attend the school, you realize that it is not anymore so than its counterparts. My own kid had to adjust to that perception and did find classes that were not over-populated by the pre-law, pre-IBank crowd. If you aren’t a Penn student, it’s really hard to understand the fact that it is not all about Wharton.</p>
<p>They seem to reprint the same crapola each time, just change the
year. One thing that’s ever changing – the cost of these schools
What a RIP OFF</p>
<p>How about a rule that you can make posts about any college EXCEPT the one you attend(ed)? That way everybody would be equally blissfully ignorant of the facts.</p>
<p>The costs keep going up because the cost of employee/professional staff healthcare benefits keep rising, the cost of building maintenance/heating/hvac etc keeps rising. If you saw the P & L of most colleges its not exactly a cash cow of profitibility, though before last year their ENDOWMENTS were on the rise (but that is NOT funded by tuition and room and board, but by alumni and parents giving money). </p>
<p>It is a huge concern for society. Colleges view their tuition etc as “an investment in YOUR future.” That you are making that investment for yourself.</p>
<p>But with so many jobs going to China, Latin America, India and the Philippines, we all have to wonder where we will be working in the new century.</p>
<p>Yeah…looks like the Princeton Tigers are back on top tied with Harvard. My daughter is starting Princeton in the fall. She was so happy to be accepted.</p>
<p>“There’s a difference between personalized rankings and REAL rankings. You TRIED to state that the real rankings should reflect Chicago as better than schools like columbia, princeton, stanford, etc, but that is just YOUR personal OPINION.”</p>
<p>I think he was referring to this (and not his personal opinon):
<a href=“http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-colleges/2009/06/18/worlds-best-colleges-top-400.html[/url]”>http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/worlds-best-colleges/2009/06/18/worlds-best-colleges-top-400.html</a></p>
<p>As a proud alumnus, I am very upset and disturbed with Duke’s new ranking. A few things I would like to note:</p>
<p>a) This #10 ranking is the lowest Duke has been in at least 24 years.</p>
<p>b) Whatever President Richard Brodhead is doing is not working. When Nan was president, Duke was ranked in the top 5, and had a #4 ranking my senior year (2003). However, under Brodhead’s watch, Duke has dropped to 7, 8, and now 10. Duke has taken a beating post Duke Lacrosse scandal, and I don’t believe he has the leadership abilities to get Duke back to the top (for the record, I wish Duke had fired him during the height of the scandal, but that’s another topic).</p>
<p>c) Duke’s primary rankings rivals, Chicago and Columbia, each improved their overall score, while Duke’s remained the same. Credit the other schools for having the leadership and drive to improve their scores, but Duke needs to step up the intensity level.</p>
<p>d) Even though I believe the “peer assessment” indicator (who wouldn’t love the chance to anonymously trash another school?!) is suspect, Duke’s score is a paltry 4.1, which ranks tied for 13th. With Duke previously being ranked #8 in the US and #13 in the world (only 9 schools in the world can claim they are ranked in among the top 10 in the US and top 15 in the world), it makes absolutely no sense why “peers” believe Duke is 13th in the US. It just shows that there are PLENTY of haters, who have hearts filled with jealousy, around the country!</p>
<p>Overall, I’m upset. I love my alma mater, but we need to step it up a few notches…</p>
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I don’t understand this. Really, one could easily make a case for any shuffling of the rankings. Northwestern has a great location and business school, therefore it is better than Duke. Duke has good weather, pre-med, and sports teams, therefore it is better than Penn. What makes you think Duke is not #13 in academic strength?</p>
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<p>if jealousy played a role in PA voting, then HYPS wouldn’t have near-perfect scores</p>
<p>I bet Kalamazoo’s decline was due to a decrease in endowment. Billionaires on the board really need to cough up some dough! </p>
<p>New dorms, anyone?</p>
<p>Duke is a good school, Penn is a good school, Columbia is a good school. THEY ARE ALL GOOD SCHOOLS!!. Trying to rank schools is like trying to rank boxers. Ali vs Tyson, Frazier vs Holmes. It really doesnt matter, they would all whip your a$$. From Princeton to BC, all the schools are in the same ball park. The large research schools do get a boost from grad program prestige. Many freshman find this out the hard way.</p>
<p>This thread was…interesting. </p>
<p>We sure do have a lot of whiners on this board.</p>
<p>Duke is a great school. The culture its students cultivate is what causes their PA problem.</p>
<p>My goodness people. Who cares if Penn is #4 and not #6 or #7? It doesn’t matter. The difference in quality of education between the top 40 schools or so is negligible. Even if you, god forbid, go to a school that isn’t in the USNWR Top 50, you’re still going to get a great education if you apply yourself. </p>
<p>This is all just a gimmick by USNews. They just market the d*** thing so well that people (particularly inexperienced high schoolers) treat these rankings like the bible.</p>
<p>wait so usnwr isn’t the god of all college rankings? wow i’m gonna go commit suicide now :X</p>
<p>/sarcasm</p>
<p>“The difference in quality of education between the top 40 schools or so is negligible.”
im sorry that is just not true.</p>