<p>^Stating the fact that the mentality exists isn’t racist, it’s just a fact. </p>
<p>BELIEVING that it’s acceptable to find all black people more dangerous and that it is a fault of that group, as that kid did, IS racist.</p>
<p>c’mon Mr Payne, get on the ball.</p>
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Hmm, there might be a few other reasons, but none as compelling as that one.</p>
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So you think he’s racist because he didn’t put the qualifier “on average”?</p>
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Tyler09, I specially said that I did not understand what you meant. So why would you say something so silly as that you are disapointed in my inability to see your point. You should have been clearer. Don’t blame me for asking for more specificity from you.</p>
<p>Your original post simply said “US” which I construed to mean US “who aren’t gangsters”. You have now clarified that the US meant US “who are white”. I think I understand your point better, but I am still concerned that you are not making a distinction between behavior and race. Behavior can be controlled, race cannot be controlled by the individual. Maybe that kid’s comments were racist, but it does not follow (at least to me) that a white person cannot comment about black people. If a white person says approximately 70 percent of black children are born out of wedlock and that is a bad thing, I fail to see how that would be racist because it is addressing behavior. I don’t think that white person must also point out that approximately 24 percent of white children are born out of wedlock in order to avoid being called a racist. (BTW, I am confident about the approx. 70 figure for blacks, but I am not so confident I am accurate about the 24 percent for white.) Do you agree with my analysis Tyler09?</p>
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<p>Of course I mentioned no such thing. I was quite clear that had the kid rephrased his comment, HE would be right. I made no mention that the whites mentioned in his comment are right. The kid would be right that whites are being unfair and acting unfortunate, due to the bad behavior of some blacks. I also mentioned that it is flawed thinking to conclude that blacks are more dangerous than whites on the basis of crime statistics when white behavior actually underlies those statistics. The stats do not include centuries of misbehavior by whites against entire nations of non-whites, misbehavior that is at the root of crime as certainly as the foundation under your home. Indeed, it is at the root of the current spread of nuclear weaponry. It is behind terrorism, increasing fuel prices and tens of thousands of dead children all bombed at the decree of white men. The facts suggest that if any race is more dangerous than any other, it is whites. Now, I do not make this claim about whites generally because I understand history is complex and that there are large numbers of whites who have never advanced the wholesale misery that other whites have spread over the earth. But to cite black crime without attaching it to white crime, indeed white governmental crime, is dishonest.</p>
<p>We need not include “on average” in every mention of group behavioral patterns. But this kid tended to speak in terms that broad brushed all blacks, attempting to explain and justify why white racism exists, not against some blacks, but against all, despite that I have never had any part in the behavior he condemns. It is racist, pure and simple. And there is no reason to support it.</p>
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<p>Clearly you believe that. :)</p>
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<p>Nonsense. Whites can and do make comments about blacks. That is not the issue. The issue concerns how some whites tend to condemn blacks generally by assigning to blacks behaviors that have nothing to do with vast numbers of blacks. And then the whites try to justify this illogic as several have attempted here.</p>
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<p>Well even if your 20% is correct, which I am convinced it isn’t, one of every five whites is a hardcore racist. Yes. I do believe the figure is at 50%. The effects of racism are too ubiquitous to be any less. Indeed, you think it is good thinking to consider blacks more dangerous than whites despite history. Welcome to the 50%. LOL</p>
<p>^to razorsharp, the comment was not specifically directed at you, in fact, it was not directed at you at all, i’m sorry you perceived it that way. And yes I understand what you said, I just don’t see the relevance to the situation we were discussing. Their is a difference between saying “ganster culture is bad, or i look down on rappers” and saying “I look down on black people because they are thugs.” </p>
<p>^to Mr. Payne
-There you go attempting to make this an attack on white people. Nobody has said that white people are any worse than any other kind of people. YOU are attempting to discredit an argument by attaching it to an irrational viewpoint that “white people are the root of all evil”, and that “all failings in black society are do to whites”, which nobody is saying.</p>
<p>Even the statistics in this thread only allude that up to 40% of primary voters in West Virginia, among the most racist states in the country, are racist in their voting. </p>
<p>you present your argument like a child, only looking for facts that confirm your opinion that people on this board believe that whites are evil, and ignore everything else.</p>
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Please, Dross is putting voluminous amounts of words with no real effect. Culturally there are issues that blacks and whites need to address. White government crime? Crime has been perpetrated by all governments all the time. He acts like African governments have been a model of stability. The only difference is the level of mechanization.</p>
<p>The point is that here, and now, African Americans have a higher crime rate than Hispanic Americans, White Americans & Asian Americans. My point wasn’t difficult or complex. Sure, many issues have led up to this current distribution - but the current distribution is. I can mention it and not be called a racist.</p>
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<p>I could not care less about “African” governments, since I am not African and never have been. And the only real difference has not been merely one of mechanization. Whites, unlike blacks, exported a philosophy of oppression, even one that appeals to God. It was a religion put into law that justified their racism. The world is dealing with it still today.</p>
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<p>This is because blacks have taken more of the brunt of white racist philosophy than any other group, and it has never been resolved. It has either to be resolved reasonably, or as it is being resolved currently on both sides, with barbarism.</p>
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Not sure I follow the reasoning on this one. How does bearing the brunt of white racists make you more inclined to commit crime? When the Japanese were interned and lost all their possessions they managed to somehow get out and commit <em>less</em> crimes than whites. Pretty amazing.</p>
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<p>The BIG DIFFERENCE is that most of these black voters have voted for a white candidate previously, while many of these white voters probably won’t ever vote for a black candidate.</p>
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<p>Of course I merely speculate blacks would have acted similarly because, as a matter of philosophy I do not think blacks are any better than whites. But the fact remains that blacks have never acted as dangerously as whites, regardless of the reason for it, and regardless of their petty crime by comparison. And they have not created the sort of immoral philosophical underpinning that whites created to justify their inhumanity to others. It is not just a matter of mechanization when even the nature of white slavery turned out to be quite a bit more abominable than black slavery.</p>
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<p>I am always amazed by the complete absurdity of these sorts of comments, though I have heard them repeatedly. How can otherwise intelligent people act in this way, despite knowing our history? I must conclude the ignorance here is intentional, that they simply do not wish to acknowledge the truth, and that this is why our problems persist and worsen.</p>
<p>There is nothing amazing about Japanese behavior after WWII. Indeed, there is no comparison between their extraordinarily brief and relatively minor episode in American history and the centuries long worldwide tyranny against blacks by whites all across Europe, Africa, and throughout the Americas.</p>
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<li> Japanese internment largely took place against the Japanese on the mainland. Only about 100,000 Japanese overall were affected, contrasted to the tens of millions of blacks who have been affected by white mistreatment,</li>
<li> Japanese internment took place only for about 2.5 years, from 1942 to 1945, contrasted to black mistreatment by whites which began in the 1500s and still exists. In America, it officially began in 1619 and ended in the 1970’s.</li>
<li> The Japanese here were never generally deprived of the ownership of their families as a matter of course,</li>
<li> The Japanese were not deprived of the ownership of their own persons as a matter of course,</li>
<li> The Japanese were never forced into no longer being Japanese,</li>
<li> The Japanese were here of their own freewill, unlike blacks. They were never made into beasts of burden, and caused to die, by the millions, in bondage,</li>
<li> The Japanese were never forced into ignorance of their identities and into belief of inherent inferiority – unlike blacks.</li>
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<p>It is about pride of ownership. Unlike all other groups, blacks have never really owned anything until very recently—never left history and heritage to their posterity that was not somehow defined by inferiority and bondage. And it is due to the mistreatment of whites. Vast numbers of blacks today, unlike all other groups, believe that America is not their country, and many believe it is hopeless to ever try to claim America as their country. And this is all by white design. Whites created a nation of people in their midst that would never have hope of being Americans—and they did this intentionally. This is why our education problems exist, and why black crime is what it is. There is too little investment in America, no hope in it-- and it is all by white design.</p>
<p>America now has large numbers of people, most of them white, who hold vigorously to the myth that Japanese Internment, the Chinese Exclusion Act, and even the Holocaust compare to what has happened to blacks, and that the victims of these unfortunate events can somehow serve as models to blacks of how to overcome adversity. The claim is pure lunacy, and its lunacy is so apparent to me that I conclude, with charity, that these otherwise intelligent people are merely playing the part of the lunatic. Without charity I would be forced to conclude they are lunatics indeed. Nothing has ever happened to the Japanese, or to any other group on earth that has not happened to blacks a thousand times by various means. What is amazing to me is that there are blacks who, despite the hopelessness given them across many generations, have still never committed crime and are still in America trying to believe in it despite the 50% of hardcore racists here who would be rid of blacks now that America has finished exploiting them.</p>