60 AP Credits and still can't graduate in four years?

There are literally hundreds of threads on this subject. :wink:

I graduated summa cum laude and literally nobody cared except my parents. :slight_smile: I do have a PhD and for sure the thing that mattered most was relevant research experience as an undergrad.

When my son was considering Tufts vs U of Chicago, one of the things he did was try to map out what was offered and what would be required in his probable major. One of the things he didn’t anticipate was how stingy his major (IR) would be with credits taken on a study abroad. He did fit in all the requirements despite taking two semesters abroad, but it wasn’t easy and he took at least one or two really lousy courses, just because they fit in the right time slot and fulfilled the right requirements senior year when he had no wiggle room left.

Honestly I would be concerned about majoring in a major that is so new…

OP, you are really deep into the weeds with this. I say let your D figure it out. She sounds really smart and capable.

In HS students are required to take many of the same classes with no particular specialization. In college the focus needs to be narrowed to one or two majors. The concept is to be well versed in the one, perhaps two, fields. In is not meant to explore all interests in depth, or to even touch upon all possible interests. Wants and needs need to be separated. The wants- wish list is a luxury there usually isn’t enough time for. One does not get a bachelors degree by being a Jack of all trades- one needs some mastery of one major. Masters and doctorates get even more focused.

The thought of a more broad than extremely narrow undergrad major has a lot of merit. Grad school is the time to zoom in on something more limited- although one should consider the potential usefulness in the job market (including academics).

I think pretty much zero people will care if she got a high GPA with distinction instead of latin honors. Some schools (at least back in the day) didn’t even offer latin honors, and only had “with distinction” or some other designation.

Wis75 brings up an important point, one that can catch many kids. You only have so much time to explore or feed your broader interests, before honing in.

Sometimes, just taking a class or two in something else is satisfying, without needing to call it a minor and go through all that. I’d add that, for future grad school, sometimes the depth in the major, then an addl class or two in a side related field, ends up yielding more opportunity for prof relationships, research, etc, than just meeting minimum requirements in the major, in order to fit in a sideline or two.

Can she bring the original 4-year plan, alongside a print out of the university’s documents that you used, to her adviser? If s/he says that’s correct, she could then ask about the pre-reqs.
It is quite possible that what you saw online is a previous incarnation of the final flowchart.
It is not necessary to minor in something if you want to explore it - you can take a few classes, as fits into your schedule. You can also take summer classes - a large university will have summer sessions and plenty of choice, including online. I know of a student who’ll take 12-13 classes a year freshman and sophomore years in order to “fit” everything he wants and in order to be ready to take specific higher-level classes he wants during junior and senior year. That means 5 classes per semester plus 2 during one summer session and one during the other summer session, and 2 the next summer. The plan is cohesive and makes sense for his long-term project.
Also, if the program is new and the class supposedly offered every Spring is a 300 or 400 level class, it’s quite possible it’s not offered yet because no one’s there to take junior or senior level classes, all students being freshmen (or fr&soph), but once the cohort gets to junior status the class will indeed be offered.

@MYOS1634 That’s a good idea for her to take the university’s four-year plan to an adviser to point out the issues. The plan has on it the last time it was updated, which was last year, so it should have been current. Seems like they didn’t think things through very well, but perhaps they will update the plan again when she points out the problems.

Just yesterday I came across something buried on the university’s main study abroad page (it is several clicks through a specific study abroad program to a specific country and university), and it looks like if she studies abroad at that location her major will accept credits as if she were enrolled at her university, including advanced courses in her major. It will allow course substitutions with adviser approval and not just take them as elective credits. That is because that other university has a comparable major. This is not the place she was dreaming of studying abroad, but I’ve given her the information to consider. It makes it look hopeful that she would be able to convince them to accept credit in her major from her dream destination if the courses were comparable, or accept substitutions at her own university in the event of scheduling issues.

My DD is making an “agenda” of all the things to discuss with her adviser and collecting documents to take with her. I’m very optimistic now with everyone’s input and finally finding a “sign” that they are more willing to make adjustments than they appear, that she will be able to work things out with an adviser with very careful planning.

OP, my son graduated from UMN from the the College of Science and Engineering. He had planned to graduate with Latin honors, but by his senior year decided against it, especially as he didn’t participate in research this would have meant that he would have had to write a thesis. I was disappointed, but in the end it really didn’t matter. At graduation the only “mention” of students graduating with latin honors was in the program and the fact the graduates had another cord (I think). For employment, he ended up getting an excellent job. After that first job, I don’t know if employers even look closely at their college experience. All in all, it would have been ALOT of work for him when he and others really didn’t care.