<p>your post reeked of revenge, Dirt.</p>
<p>do the math. if the curve is set higher then you will have to jump higher. anybody with a clear mind can see this.</p>
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<p>Revenge for what? Not really sure what you mean.</p>
<p>I understand the point about it being harder to get good grades at a highly ranked school. I think I even mentioned this in an earlier post of mine in this very thread. I don’t think the difference is as big as you seem to be implying. But the fact is, it doesn’t matter what you or I think. Employers and grad schools would rather have a 4.0 from SDSU than a 2.0 from MIT. A 2.0 (anywhere) only shows that you can do the bare minimum to stay in school while a 4.0 (anywhere) is quite an accomplishment. The people who matter (employers and adcoms) agree.</p>
<p>You can take people’s opinions as being attacks or full of jealousy if you want, but I sincereley doubt that anyone here has bad motives.</p>
<p>i never said i go to ucsd and i never said i have a 2.0</p>
<p>how do you know i don’t go to sdsu and have a 4.0</p>
<p>Big engineering companies want a diverse work force just like how universities want a diverse student body. I’m working at one right now. We hire just as many college grads from top tier engineering schools as unranked engineering schools. If you have less than a 3.0 GPA from any school, doesn’t matter if it’s MIT, it would be difficult to land an interview unless you have connections with someone at the company.</p>
<p>Last time I checked the majority and I mean the majority of practicing engineers are not from the top 10 engineering schools. your a fool to think that you wont get hires if you go to a 50th or 70th ranked school.</p>
<p>I go to a 50th ranked school, but a very high number of graduates are garented jobs at Lockheed and Boeing, as well as other higher end companies.</p>
<p>for my such a low ranked public university the engineering carrer fairs tend to bring companies that I really cant say that there are bigger companies in there fields. so you are wrong.</p>
<p>circuit…</p>
<p>its a numbers game. of course in the full spectrum of engineers in the working force a small percentile will come from the top ten schools. </p>
<p>if you take the polarization of that then the majority will come from non top ten schools. i mean there are only ten schools in the top ten out of all of the universities/schools in the united states. </p>
<p>taking all of this in account then yeah i totally agree with you that the majority of the hires will come from people who don’t come from a top ten school.</p>
<p>but this post is not about any of this. </p>
<p>it is about whether or not a 2.0 from MIT or stanford is the equivalence of a 4.0 from some other school like fresno state or something.</p>
<p>Proton:</p>
<p>You do go to UCSD according to a previous post(suicide rates among US colleges) you made.</p>
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<p>I never thought UCSD was that great of an engineering school. I thought it was good but not MIT/Stanford/Berkeley/etc level. </p>
<p>Does confirmation of your statement, that a 2.0 at MIT is equivalent to 4.0 at san diego state university, make you feel better? I’ve been to several schools now for undergrad and graduate and yes there is a difference in curving but not the vast differences you mentioned. As the previous poster said I would say a 4.0 at some 2nd tier college is equivalent to a 3.0 at MIT. Of course every school is different but not the huge difference you mentioned. </p>
<p>By the way if you got a 2.001 GPA from anywhere, lots of companies won’t even look at your application. That is on the brink of failing.</p>
<p>proton I wouldn’t feel to bad, and don’t go kill your self. Please. Im not sure if I got that right but just dont.</p>
<p>Alot of the problem for me at least in engineering is mental maturity. I have never been good in science and math and well while I was in HS, nobody ever pushed us, there was no Calculus in HS and no AP classes. In my HS ya went to school, didnt care much about it and graduated with the bare minimum. There was no excelling students, because well all of us had jobs and such. Now this was a HS of 6000 students, so when I came to college I had to take remedial courses, such as math101,math115, eng100 and eng101. so my hs didn’t teach me to much, actually the first time I saw factoring was in college, my school topped out that low in math. When I came to college I just couldnt do the work, but i then has to do a few classes over such as calc 1 and physics 1 for engineers. Now I am retaking these classes and find that my teachers were right and that the whole mental maturity thing was correct. I dont know if I am capable of graduating with a engineering degree, that is something that I will have to see in the future, but I just don’t think any other degree is really worth it.</p>
<p>Personally, I believe it comes down to the interview. An employers knows what knowledge and basic skills an employee will need in order to do their job. I believe for engineering, you can assess a person’s likelihood to succeed by looking at accomplishments, asking technical questions to assess competency, and by making a “mini project” to test for these skills.</p>
<p>Also, not all engineering positions are the same. Some require basic knowledge and engineering principles while others are far more complex and requires a more intellectual mind person. </p>
<p>For a basic general engineering position, a company may look for a candidate with a strong grasp of basic principles but a high work ethic and tolerance for routine work. Many companies even the big ones find that school X with a 3.0 are perfect for these kinds of jobs over an MIT grad who’s experience is in more in depth cutting edge research. Why, because an MIT grad maybe over qualified and often a liability to leave because the work is far too boring for them. On the other hand, an MIT grad would be perfect for a start up company that is developing new technology and needs an innovative mind.</p>
<p>I don’t believe it’s curving practices that vary but caliber of students that make gaining top grades much harder at elite schools. The average student at MIT would likely be a 4.0+ with a 1500 SAT and the bottom 20% that would have been getting a 2.0 at MIT was still a 4.0+ student but with a 1400 SAT that would have put them at the top 2% of engineering students at SDSU.</p>
<p>i don’t go to ucsd. i go to san jose state. but i used to go to ucsd for like half a year.</p>
<p>you guys totally missed the point. </p>
<p>Getting a 4.0 in calculus I doesn’t guarantee you will receive the same grade in an easier math class. Similiarly, getting top scores in SAT doesn’t mean you will receive a top grade in a lower ranked university. </p>
<p>any students who receive a 1600 SAT can easily fail many classes in any colleges if s/he never tries to study at all.</p>
<p>so I would argue a 2.0 in MIT is worse than a 4.0 in san diego state.</p>
<p>A 2.0 at MIT most likely will not get you an interview at a big engineering company unless you have other connections. A 4.0 at a no name school will give you a chance to get an interview.</p>
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<p>i agree</p>
<p>The name of the school is just where you will have more CHANCES to be recruited. How well you do is up to your own application. a 4.0 at some unknown school will probably won’t have IBM / microsoft / intel … whatever coming to campus to recruit but he can always apply and they will definitely look at it for an interview. Where as a 2.0 at famous school will have employers coming to campus, but won’t get picked out for an interview. </p>
<p>A 4.0 will take initiative and look for jobs (even if campus doesn’t have a recruiting / career center) and it shows that you do the best you can at the given task. A 2.0 on the other hand will not show that. People with lower than a 2.7 GPA generally hide their GPA on the resume. If it’s good enough for an interview and if they’re lucky, employers won’t ask for GPA.</p>
<p>a 2.0 at MIT will not give u a job, not even an interview if u put that on ur resume. On the other hand, you are not forced to put down gpa. If your experience is great enough, employers will do “key word search” on resume and call u in for an interview. They might ask for ur gpa and stuff but if u can impress them, they will give u a job. But most entry level salaries (for each position) in engineering (as far as i know) are based on gpa.</p>
<p>on the other hand, a 4.0 at some unknown school doesn’t necessary mean that he/she CAN NOT get a 4.0 anywhere else. You get a perfect score on a first grade math test doesn’t mean you can not get a perfect score on a fifth grade math test.</p>