A Duke student lost

<p>STOP IT!!! STOP IT!!! STOP IT!!! geeeeezzzz - I posted this tragedy just as an informational type of thing - not to start any arguments… please - show some respect - wether his frat bros/roomies/friends choose to make - or NOT to make - any comments - has absolutely NO bearing on this sad news and/or post.</p>

<p>Please - it well could be that they were instructed not to make any type of comments at all until more information was available - so they made NO comments at all. Who the heck cares - a young man is dead - his family and friends are grieving - this is NOT the time to be arguing!!!</p>

<p>JeepMom:
The purpose of my post was not to argue. It was to show respect to this poor young man and his family. Your last post was a bit overly dramatic.</p>

<p>This is indeed a terrible tragedy, and this young man and his family deserve nothing but respect and sympathy. Some of that respect and sympathy was being diminished by mini’s insensitive comments.</p>

<p>This is an anonymous chat room. When you start a thread, you should expect to receive various comments. They may not always be the comments you want.</p>

<p>1SOKKERMOM my comments were not directed at you - sorry - I hope the ones it was directed to get the hint! It amazes me that the death of a young man could bring some folks to what I was reading - uughh</p>

<p>Thank for your assuring comment.</p>

<p>PS - I would not expect the dribble and/or arguments that has been on this thread - on others maybe…</p>

<p>How tragic and how senseless! Sadly enough, the spilled ink of despair that follows one of those deaths dries much too quickly. The tears do not! </p>

<p>And then another one follows; and another …</p>

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Yes, I also hope the <em>one</em> it should have been directed to got the hint.</p>

<p>warblersrule~</p>

<p>{{{{{{{hugs, sweetie}}}}}}} </p>

<p>~berurah</p>

<p>It is so very sad when a young person with such a promising future, and a very likable person, has died. The grief his family faces is enormous and I feel so badly for them. I’m sure all his friends are reeling as well. </p>

<p>I do not know the cause of his death and the articles say there is an autopsy being performed. It seems to me that some posts implicate a cause or presumption…unless of course those posters are privy to information that I have not read about. I think it is a shame to presume anything until reliable information is released. A young person could die for many reasons including suicide, physical health, alcohol/drugs, or foul play (though foul play was stated to have been ruled out), etc. I get a sense that some jumped to conclusions when they read “frat” boy and athlete that it is alcohol related. I have no idea but I think jumping to a conclusion when cause of death is unknown is not right. It could be any number of reasons. And if it was alcohol related (I have NO idea), let that information come out first, before insinuation. </p>

<p>As far as his friends not commenting to media, I can understand how that might have happened. The fact that they chose to not comment to media has NO bearing on their not being sympathetic or grieving the loss. I don’t think it is as simple as telling the media, “I am so sad at the loss of this wonderful young man and friend,” because by commenting, then the media will follow up with a question, such as “any thoughts as to how he died?”, “when was he last seen and what was he doing?,” etc. etc. etc. By responding, it opens up that dialogue. I can see that his peers may have been advised to not talk to media since the cause of death was not yet determined and it was not right to speculate or answer media questions, which would be sure to follow a mere expression of sympathy. These friends can express their sympathy in other ways such as at the service (where a media article was published with comments and memories of this young man, appropriately) and privately to family and loved ones. The fact that frat brothers didn’t comment to media who were likely asking probing questions, has no bearing on their feelings of loss or sympathy, which they likely have chosen to share in more appropriate ways with those involved, close to this young man and in services. Since the cause of death was not yet determined, it likely was wise for the peers to not engage in media probes and speculation.</p>

<p>No matter how Chris died, it is surely a great loss and very tragic and sad. Please don’t argue and please don’t use this sympathetic thread as a platform for issues, even if by chance it turns into a non medical cause of death. If it turns out to be one of the ways young adults die frequently…alcohol, drugs, suicide, accidents, etc., then it is another sad death and hopefully a call to other young people of ways to avoid such circumstances in the future. But for now, it is best not to speculate, in due respect, until the official cause of death is known. Perhaps someone here knows it and wasn’t speculating but it appeared to be an “assumption” the way I read some posts.</p>

<p>JeepMom - Exactly why I didn’t post about the Rice student death when I FIRST heard of it. (Though I did mention it yesterday because I was stunned to hear of another student death in such a brief period of time.)</p>

<p>It doesn’t matter how or why these students died…and I think EVERYONE is speculating about this in the back of their minds. Some speak directly to it; others do not. But I think we are all reacting differently to the same basic fear…‘there, but for the Grace of God, goes me or mine’.</p>

<p>Also, I think Duke students now likely flinch when approached by the press. The university has not been treated kindly this year and undoubtedly, all now are more guarded with their comments. A year ago, I guarantee these kids would have had much more to say about their friend and would have spoken guilelessly with anyone who asked. </p>

<p>Not trying to be political, but I can’t help feeling it is such a shame so much has been taken from these kids.</p>

<p>^^ldmom, </p>

<p>The article that 1sm posted a link to was VERY sweet and heartwarming. He will be mourned greatly by his friends, and several of them spoke out to say so.</p>

<p>~b.</p>

<p>I also don’t read anything into the “no comment” by students. My d. had four classmates killed in an auto accident while in high school (2 were close friends she had been in school with since 1st grade). She and most other students would not talk to media for several reasons–one of which was that they were too upset and the media was too intrusive. The few who did give interviews regretted it as their comments were edited to sound totally inane.</p>

<p>:( This is really sad. </p>

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<p>I think this is fairly likely, especially given the press that Duke has had lately. </p>

<p>I also avoid taking things like “no one commented” in any one way. What does that mean? What constitutes a “comment” in the reporter’s opinion? That can mean no one made a meaningful comment to the reporter’s story - and I typically don’t see “This is very sad and he will be missed” in small blurbs like that. It can also mean they asked one person in the heat of the moment who couldn’t reply at that time, and then gave them a business card and said to have someone get back in less than ten hours if someone else could comment and that got lost in the events of the day. Too many variables. These stories aren’t covered by the top notch experienced reporters. I imagine in this case it was a student. Very nice sentiments in the follow up that probably had more time dedicated to it.</p>

<p>I agree berurah…he sounds like a wonderful kid who was very well-liked and who will be sorely missed. My heart goes out to his family and his friends, one of whom I assume is my d’s h.s. friend. She is active in Catholic youth life on the Duke campus. The Rice University kid had the most uplifting obituary in the Houston Chronicle a couple of days ago…my prayers are with his family and friends as well.</p>

<p>I also think from now on the press may find themselves getting a (deserved) cold shoulder on the Duke campus. These kids have learned a hard lesson about controlling one’s own message. It’s a life skill…sadly learned.</p>

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I agree, ld. Under the best of circumstances, press coverage can be distorted, and with what has gone on at Duke in the past year, I’d adivse ALL students to stay as far away from the press as possible. Sympathy can be (and obviously HAS BEEN) given privately, and that is much, much more meaningful to the family.</p>

<p>I’ll add that if any of those approached are athletes, membership in the ACC includes very thorough media training with constant refresher training, and rule #1 is the athlete does NOT offer ad hoc answers to media on ANY topic, ever.</p>

<p>Losing these young people makes me so terribly sad. The poor boy at Purdue who wandered into the unlocked high voltage utility room was just tragic, and the fact that it took so long to find him only increased their pain. Now this young man at Duke. My prayers and sympathy goes out to his family, friends, and the Duke community. As a parent, you really never get over worrying about your child’s safety, regardless of their age.</p>

<p>^^coronax2~</p>

<p>I’ve been trying to pm you, but your inbox is full. Could you please clear some space? THANKS! :slight_smile: ~berurah</p>

<p>Here is a related article posted today:</p>

<p><a href=“http://insidehighered.com/news/2007/04/06/deaths[/url]”>http://insidehighered.com/news/2007/04/06/deaths&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

Another related article:

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=5182633[/url]">http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=triangle&id=5182633

Duke University officials are dealing with the death of one student athlete and the arrest of another - both connected to the swim team.

Tuesday swim team members, Chris Sanders was found dead in his dorm room. Hours later another swimmer, 20, was arrested after police say he accepted a package containing 17-pounds of marijuana. Police were notified by DHL Express in Morrisville about the suspicious package.

It didn’t take long for the news to circulate on campus. Laura Ferraro, a student on campus explains. “It’s a little disconcerting because I love Duke, I love being here and its hard to deal with all this stuff happening here,” Ferraro said.

Adding to the talk is that fact that both incidents occurred on the same day and both involved swim team members. Duke Police officials say the incidents aren’t related, but the timing is hard to ignore.

Freshman Nick Sutton is on the basketball team at Duke. “You can hypothesize this and that but I mean the fact is it’s a tragedy and a kid died. And I mean you never want anything like that to happen,” Sutton said.

Chris Sanders was found dead early Tuesday morning. An autopsy is underway, meanwhile another 20-year-old has been charged with marijuana trafficking and intent to sell, but despite the latest incident involving student athletes, players like Nick are standing behind the program. “I hold the highest standard for Duke athletics. Our coaches, the way everything is run. I mean nothing’s perfect,” Nick said.

Police say they don’t suspect foul play in Sander’s death, but a cause of death hasn’t been released.

However, the second student does not appear to be on the team anymore. See comments on the bottom of http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2007/04/05/News/Drug-Bust.Inquiry.Continues-2825490.shtml[/url]">http://media.www.dukechronicle.com/media/storage/paper884/news/2007/04/05/News/Drug-Bust.Inquiry.Continues-2825490.shtml

<p>^ The drug charge has nothing to do with the death of this poor student. The original post had to do with the untimely death of a college student. The article I posted suggested that unfortunately there were many untimely deaths at colleges throughout the country recently. Not all deaths are “suspicious”. Many are accidents.</p>

<p>In any case, I think most of the parents would agree that any death of a child is the worst thing that could ever happen. I can not imagine what any of these parents are going through. My heart goes out to them.</p>

<p>I could care less whether someone that this poor student knew was involved with pot. This has nothing to do with the intent of the original post, nor would it ever detract from the sympathy that the dead student’s family deserves, nor the respect he deserves!</p>