As a lifelong Democrat I am rather ashamed that it is Faux News that I agree with on this case, and not WaPo. The Dems made the right move to win votes from young women, but they perhaps didn’t factor in the loss of votes from parents of boys.
“The WaPo article also counts sex under false promises to be sexual assault. If a boy tells a girl that he loves her, the girl then has sex with the boy, and then the boy dumps the girl, that’s sexual assault too.”
Where do you see that Doe?
The survey asks about coercion. Like a promise to raise a grade in exchange for sex or a threat to lose a job if no sex. And it looks like coerced incidents are not included in the SA bucket. Looks like a separate category if I’m reading it right.
If 5 percent of the guys or is it 7 percent of the guys have been assaulted, that is a pretty high number.
My son was playing on a high school soccer team. During a game, one of the opponents stuck a finger or two up a teammates’ anus.
The teammate was very upset. I don’t remember the teammate playing again the rest of the year. I don’t know what happened after.
I don’t feel like looking up the survey. If 1053 people were surveyed, and 20 percent were assaulted, that is about 210 people assaulted. 50 people of those people were interviewed. 50 out of 210 is a pretty good perceqntage of those assaulted.
This is what I posted…
If someone takes a improvement in grade in exchange for sex, then she is not assaulted, she is hooking instead. I don’t think that’s what promises mean.
Coercion can also mean many things. What if a boy threatens to dump his gf unless she sleeps with him 4 times every day? Is that coercion? I would say not at all. The two are simply not compatible and the boy is within his rights to get a more compatible partner after dumping his current gf.
Unless, of course, the current partner works on becoming compatible.
Stark, Of course it is sexual. Butt pinching is sexual too. But a headline stating “19 out of 100 college women have been butt pinched” won’t have the same oomph, now would it?
We need more information.
@JohnDoe4, you told me you were in your late 20’s. Now you have been married 30 years? How did you do that?
@northwesty is right. You are wrong @JohnDoe4. Coercion is not counted in the sexual assault numbers.
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Stark, You are confusing me with someone else. Besides, as northwesty said: "The survey asks about coercion. "
The survey asks about coercion but it does not count non physical coercion in the sexual assault numbers.
I had no idea this many men were assaulted.
There are lots of female butt pinchers too. It should have asked men whether they were stone cold drunk when they had sex. That would prop up the male sexual assault cases by a lot.
JohnDoe4, you didn’t read the survey did you?
It had me at 1-in-5.
Yeah… Lol!
I call warts.
“If someone takes a improvement in grade in exchange for sex, then she is not assaulted, she is hooking instead. I don’t think that’s what promises mean.”
Doe – this is exactly what the survey says and asks about regarding coercion. And the coerced incidents are excluded from the sexual assault results.
You should either read the survey or shut the front door.
It wasn’t even 210 people who were assaulted. 20% of the women, but only 5% of the men, said they were assaulted. The survey was half men and half women, so that’s about 26 men and 107 women who said they were assaulted, 133 in all. If they interviewed more than 50 of the 133, that’s well over a third. And the Post said of them, “Few of those cases suggested that there had been only casual physical contact misconstrued as something sexual.”
CF, thanks. I was being lazy…but not as lazy as JohnDoe4. 
As I said before, I like to use conservative numbers.
But my point is your point.
We have enough stories from this survey to know there is a big problem.
I haven’t read all these yet.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/local/sexual-assault/
Ok…I just read these stories from the above link.
Education is very important if society is going to stop these assaults.
There were a few borderline cases.
There was at least male on male rape.
There were a few females assaulting males…
There were some males raping females.
One story…
From this survey…
We have about 40 sexual assault stories about women. Approximately 20 were raped. If these stories are a good representation of the 107 sexual assaults, and I don’t see any reason they aren’t, about half the sexual assaults in the survey were rapes.
That means 10 percent of the women were raped. That’s ridiculously high.
And how many rapists got in trouble? I didn’t count but I think the number was close to zero.
You know, the whole thing upthread where some people said rape/sexual assault rates can’t be that high at colleges, or nobody would go…
Well, I was listening to the radio today, and the local NPR news was on. I’ve mentioned before that I’m in Alaska, and the sexual assault rate here is known to be ridiculously high—but there’s a phenomenon where there are some villages that have a near- or even actually-zero sexual assault rate if you go by official statistics, while anonymous surveys of residents show more than 50% of the women there have been sexually assaulted (and a lower but still high percentage of men, much of the time).
Basically, it’s not been worth the social cost for sexual assault victims to come forward, particularly when the perpetrator has higher social standing in the community than the victim. Further sexual assault was simply something that one didn’t speak of with other people even in private. This is starting to change, and there’s starting to be open conversation about sexual assault, and it’s creating some big giant social ripples—but it got me thinking about the dynamics of college life.
A first-year student doesn’t have a full social network, and often doesn’t have many if anyone nearby to confide in. Is it really any surprise that (a) first-year students seem to be at a disproportionate risk for being sexually assaulted and (b) many students don’t find it socially worth it to come forward if they are assaulted? I mean, it’s not like it’s something polite people talk about publicly, right? But that’s starting to change, and it’s create some big giant social ripples, as evidenced in a small way by the heatedness of this thread…
Along the same lines, if there is a mandate that college students have to go to the police, they won’t report.
I don’t like solutions that don’t work.
This is a 30 minute video. Somebody is from RAINN. A few women have been assaulted and are telling their stories. We have to educate people from middle school on. We have to talk about sexual assault publicly. We have to listen. I say this a lot because people don’t listen. If you don’t listen, you aren’t going to come up with a solution.
The woman from RAINN says if you don’t treat victims well from the beginning and you don’t listen, the victim suffers a second assault.
Yeah…sometimes it takes 4 years to catch somebody. Too bad for the accused. Telling a victim to go work at Starbucks until the rapist graduates is not great policy.
I am blown away by the numbers. There are too many polls that have high numbers of sexual assaults for these polls to be meaningless.
I like this last Wash Post-Kaiser Foundation Poll because they include 50 victim’s stories. We can read the stories and we can see that the sexual assault numbers are high.
Dfbdfb, I love your post.