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<p>This is a story about my Dodge son who did a crossover from Screenwriting to Directing on an independent film shot during college years. It was possible because of all the training and film projects with rotating assignments at college, where they take up various jobs and help each other make student films. It also takes a lot of chutzpah for a screenwriter to say, “you know what, I can direct this, too.” </p>

<p>A year ago, S graduated Dodge/Chapman, double major in Screenwriting and History. While there, he wrote many short and feature-length scripts that others directed, very normal student pathway. </p>

<p>One season, he also took it on himself to direct one of his own scripts into a short independent film. He did it in summer after jr. year, with a crew of volunteers from Chapman’s then-current students and recent alumni in LA. The producer was a current Chapman student who obtained a small budget. The 2 lead actors were a female actor auditioned from the wider LA community and his own brother who acts off-off-Broadway in NYC and flew out to be in his younger brother’s film. </p>

<p>That film (“Stateside”) is now in two film festivals this Spring - one just aired in downtown LA, and the other I find particularly exciting, as it’s the upcoming G.I. Film Festival in Washington, D.C., the only film festival in the nation specializing in films about soldiers’ experiences. </p>

<p>On the crossover from Screenwriting to try his hand at also Directing; the skills were attainable, because of all the team projects at Dodge, although the cinematographer was especially important to him to breach the gap on set on many technical points. It was shot on location inside two homes in Santa Ana. </p>

<p>Crew (camera, etc) were Chapman students and recent alums. (Note: Dodge has only “recent alums” but they are loyal.) These alums already working for pay in LA on union BTL jobs. They were very generous to volunteer 4 days to go back to the great feelings of being on a Chapman team project. Very generous.</p>

<p>Actor S from NYC said that, to him, this set didn’t feel like any “student film” but was handled professionally in every way. He was very impressed with the extreme Chapman work ethic and talent on set. His base of comparison was all the NY Independent films he does for students and recent grads of NYU/Tisch, Columbia, NYFA (initials wrong here I know), and so on. While I catered the film (truly fun) I was also stunned at how professional these 20 people handled themselves over a 4-day shoot on location.</p>

<p>Son’s Dodge classmates, with rare exception, all moved to LA after graduating (or before, in a few cases, commuting in their final year). The distance to internships is of issue at Chapman. Even with a car, S found it hard to work in during his school years, but solved it unusually. He graduated in 3.5 years, moved to LA, and did a 3-month unpaid internship with a small firm right then. </p>

<p>Dodge/Chapman alums (and I’m sure this is also true of USC alums) network in LA constantly from various entry film jobs, coffee-pouring dayjobs, indie projects outside of work. Networking is not a rare meeting to discuss a grand project, rather, it’s more family style - meeting to eat several times a week (work lunch breaks), keeping the radar on by cellphone, etc. The same circle of closest talented friends all stuck together and know exactly what each other is doing throughout their week.</p>

<p>This month, S is working very hard: finishing up writing a full-length feature film script with military themes; taking a Spanish course in a downtown LA community college, and going to a 3-week intensive training to become certified as an Emergency Medical Technician. That last is something he has always wanted to do, and holds out hope for being a steady dayjob (with great stories to collect) with full benefits yet allows just enough free time to keep writing. He’s finding that living alone downtown works best for his writing, but most of his classmates live together sharing a more suburban house with pool and barbeque amenities.</p>

<p>He never applied to USC, for particular reasons related to gap year policy. He had hoped, after h.s., to take a gap year as an ambulance volunteer in Israel. But USC was explicit that they don’t allow for a gap year after acceptance. Actually, neither does Chapman but their materials and communication confused him and us. Chap “allows a gap year” but only after attending for at least one semester. They too wouldn’t hold the acceptance for another year, so he dropped the gap year and went right to Chapman. (It worked out, I guess, since he’ll now do ambulance work in LA). </p>

<p>Sometimes, during his Chapman years, I asked if he wanted to transfer over to USC. He said no, for several reasons. He liked his professors, felt that the Chapman program nurtures every student while USC tends to favor their few perceived ‘stars’ each year and can ignore others. I can’t defend or dispute that claim, but I heard it often. Also he was already bonded with the Chapman friends. I sometimes wondered how it’d have been for him at USC, but I’ll say that he’s very pleased with the training and professionalism he learned at Chapman.</p>

<p>Sometimes at Chapman the professors would look at a project being done by a junior or senior director and tell them their script was terrible, and sent it over to my son to fix it up. He was the go-to guy, so I take from that that his screenwriting abilities were appreciated within the department. </p>

<p>If anything peeves him, it’s the humility issue. He realizes that he needs to call upon others for technical help when directing. Meanwhile, the student directors believe and tell themselves, “anyone can write.” Truth is, some directors can write, others can’t. He’d like film programs to teach directors to look at Screenwriting as as much a specialty area as Cinematography, Photography, Sound and all the rest.</p>

<p>Paying3tuitions,
Thanks so much for telling your son’s story. We will want to hear more about your son’s film work as the future unfolds!</p>

<p>I will share this with our DS on the way to LMU Preview day this morning. It’s helpful to read first-hand accounts and nice to hear about the loyalty and camaraderie at Dodge. Most days I feel Dodge (very affordable after merit/no debt!) is the obvious ‘best’ choice for DS and he continues to favor it, as well. </p>

<p>He has not let go of LMU (just manageable out of pocket), however; today will probably help him settle that one way or another. Son found something intangibly wonderful in the animation department. It’s a very welcoming, creative atmosphere. He can see himself thriving there. </p>

<p>Then there is USC (lousy aid and would require loans). My sane self says that we’d be crazy to take it on, especially since DS loves his more affordable choices. But, hey, it IS the School of Cinematic Arts! (Me, wondering to myself: “Could it make the difference in landing that first job? Or not. Is it worth the debt? Or not? Would we be crazy to let son pass on the opportunities that USC might offer? Or not. Does anyone say ‘No’ to USC? Only idiots? Heck, pursuing animation/digital arts is his dream. But would he be better off going the more traditional route at UC San Diego and going to work at Google? Should H and I counsel him more strongly about the risks?”)</p>

<p>Sigh. <em>Ambivalence</em> + morning coffee = excessive CC blathering, LOL.
Anyway, thank you all for sharing your stories. I love CC. :)</p>

<p>Definition for my post above:
“Idiots” = Fools like us (H and me/our family). No one else. There are a gazillion good reasons (financial and otherwise) for a student to choose a school other than USC and I know that.</p>

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<p>p3t: That’s exactly what I’ve been trying to say all along, and that’s exactly the experience my S’s group from his school has in LA. Every project seems to involve more than one in group, and the group recommends each other on gigs.</p>

<p>So many people think that a “contact” in the industry is some film exec somewhere that you can get a moment with, but it’s really your fellow alums that you’ve worked with all along. In film school, there should be no loners; it’s so collaborative and in an ideal situation, as you say, you would find “film projects with rotating assignments at college, where they take up various jobs and help each other.”</p>

<p>Thanks for posting that. And congrats to p3tS as well!</p>

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<p>I so agree, DIgmedia – and as your S’s experience demonstrates beautifully, that can be a group from another college across the country, too, when a group of them moves to L.A. after a strong undergraduate experience and SKILLS to offer. </p>

<p>And this is nothing new about L.A. Where I now live (Buffalo), I’m told of a native Buffalo-born network of production and crew members that’s been living and working in L.A. for several generations, including Frank Mancuso and others. They’ll watch out for each other similarly (or so I’m told).</p>

<p>I think people should take note of this idea if they are students now in film programs across the nation. Upon graduation, you should just rent a U-Haul and move ALL your filmmaking buddies to L.A. </p>

<p>Clearly, it’s too early to know what any of our sons/daughters in their 20’s will generate, but I find it encouraging to know how digmedia and madbean regard this issue of Networking.</p>

<p>That said, there are also a handful of students in some of these undergraduate programs with astonishing last names and well-greased film/TV industry connections already. Actually they have to work not to get “hit on” by classmates throughout their four years and develop strategies around avoiding just that. Those related to well-placed people surely have an advantage. My impression is they can get a few moments with a high placed executive, but then what?</p>

<p>Anyway, one works with what one has. Talent, hard work, contacts (peer) and luck is the formula I think about these days, but the student can only create the first three. Perhaps the first 3 will generate the fourth, or as the Chinese say, “you make your own luck.”</p>

<p>Rereading this thread reinforces in my mind the importance of working on as many other students sets as possible. In two years at LMU I think this is one of very few weekends D hasn’t been on an undergraduate or graduate set. These many BTL opportunities lead to increasing responsibility jobs, and several paid and unpaid jobs with LMU alumni already. That has also been an education to the variety of film opportunities, web, television, advertising, music video, documentary… To quote Paying3tuitions, it takes talent hard work and contacts. There is still luck and money to deal with, but the career path for many goes through the contacts you make on set at school. She already sees the separation between the success of the go getters on set, and the just doing the work required of class group. They are making their own luck, and I see them continuing to collaborate after graduation.</p>

<p>Great and informative post, paying3tuitions. I’m impressed with Chapman’s new facilities, drive, incredible students plus their terrific faculty. It’s so nice to also get the inside story on the great camaraderie among their film production students.</p>

<p>My sons are not film production majors, so I cannot post extensively on the inside of being an SCA Production major. I hope that maddenmd and perhaps others will give us that view soon.</p>

<p>What I have observed from S1’s incredible film production sequence was that he got to study with the most amazing AA winning cinematographer–very inspiring and a famously rigorous class. I also get to see the sorts of outside-the-classroom opportunities that are available to these kids. There are too many wonderful things to keep track of and find time for. Disney is always on campus. This week DreamWorks is presenting an Animation Seminar:
“Storytelling with COLOR,” and when they held a screening of Conan The Barbarian (!), of course the former CA governor was there to speak. All of these are events reserved for SCA, so the students do get to speak to the presenters and exchange contact info many times. I’ve mentioned before how impressive the I have found USC’s “First Look” film showcase at the DGA. These are attended by agents and producers and every big name in Hollywood. One year recently, it was announced that every single graduating screenwriting major had an industry job–although of course, not everyone (or perhaps anyone) had sold a million dollar screenplay. So the exposure is helpful, I’m sure. </p>

<p>In my sons’ major, there is currently the most incredible hiring frenzy among soon-to-be grads. I’m proud to say S1 has sold a game he created to a funded startup and has begun work on developing it for them even before he graduates. This is an opportunity that came through an email from SCA, offered by an exec who got his SCA MFA many years ago. I’m very proud!! But also know that a lot of his success comes from the projects he worked on outside of class. Like film production students, there is a lot that depends on the go-go-go of the individual. </p>

<p>This is just additional information, but I truly agree with posts above that there are networks available for many in Hollywood who are willing and energetic enough to reach out and make friends. It takes a certain personality to enjoy this process–to find it fun to hang out with peers and talk shop, to volunteer to help on their student films, to share an apartment after graduation. It may take a certain risk-tolerant tendency, too. (And that includes the parents!)</p>

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<p>Thanks you so much for sharing your son’s experience at Dodge and beyond. So exciting about his film (starring his brother, even!) being in these festivals. We live close to DC and I’m wondering if I can take D – a Chapman admit to film production – to go see it. (Especially if she decides to commit to Dodge.) Is it open to the (non-military) public? I’ve checked the festival website and see they will show it on a Sunday, which is actually a reasonable day to commute downtown! D recently had the pleasure of attending a Chapman film screening event in NYC and she thoroughly enjoyed all the student and grad student films they featured. Will your S be attending the festival in DC?</p>

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I so agree.</p>

<p>Flip side: I know a couple whose son graduated in film production in 2009. He’s living at home (far from anywhere), sending out resumes, and wondering why he cannot find a job in the industry.</p>

<p>…bumping this up for letsgoboom93…</p>

<p>There is a lot of good info here from several of the regulars with experience.</p>

<p>Oh dear, Shakespearefan - I missed your post above in a timely way. I apologize.</p>

<p>FORTUNATELY… there’s a reshow of all the shorts from the G.I. Film Festival on the night of July 27, in Washington D.C. I’m sending you all the particulars by PM, as I don’t want to be promoting any particular event here on CC. (If anyone else is curious, PM me and I’ll send you the locating info for that evening.) The event is a free evening, but the link to it includes a place to check off for donations – so I’d surely never post that on CC.</p>

<p>And since I last posted, my son’s film WON “Best Student Film” at that festival (!!) - so I assume it’ll be included in the reshow on July 27 as it’s also a “short.”</p>

<p>Perhaps your D might enjoy seeing a whole evening of “shorts” from around the country, since that’s closer to what she’ll be able to make herself, before too long. </p>

<p>S didn’t attend the festival the night he won - part of the dilemma of just starting out. After submitting to many film festivals, if one is across the country, it’s too expensive to attend. And you don’t know if you’ll place or win until the film festival occurs! Fortunately for my son, they’ll also bring all the “Best of…” films to show again in L.A. in November on Veterans Day weekend, so he can attend a recap then where he lives, and meet the people who liked his film that much.</p>

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Wowowowow! MAJOR congrats to him. I LOVE hearing about things like that!! That’s exciting!</p>