Advice for a Musical Director Hopeful?

<p>Hello all!
After some intense consideration, I’ve finalized my scholarly pursuits on obtaining a BM or BFA in Musical Theatre… I want to be a music director, do orchestrations, the whole shebang! </p>

<p>So far I have scheduled auditions for Baldwin Wallace, James Madison and Ithaca… Submitted 6 other applications as a Composition applicant. This whole revelation came only recently, and to be perfectly honest, I’m not sure how accepting schools are of music directors as Musical Theatre majors. I’m thinking into Penn State, Hartt, the like… Unfortunately I just don’t have money for the Carnegies of the world. </p>

<p>Does anyone have any advice or know of specific programs? Any input would be appreciated. My academic stats are solid (I just recently decided to not go Ivy League) so give me whatever you got :)</p>

<p>Thanks a bunch! :)</p>

<p>Steogsaurus, I can’t tell if you are also skilled at singing, dancing, and acting. If you were to do a BFA or BM in Musical Theater, you would not only have to be able to sing, act, and dance to be admitted, but that would be a huge chunk of your coursework. Now, you also could go into musical directing (or composing) if a MT major. BUT…big but…if you ONLY want to do musical directing and composing, another degree would be more suitable (such as music composition). To be clear, you could become a musical director or composer after being in a BM or BFA in MT program (several people have done this) but you can’t focus on that in your coursework as the main thing and so if you are not interested in being a performer at all, don’t do this degree as it is not a good fit. </p>

<p>That said, my own kid has a BFA with a focus on MT (from NYU/Tisch). She is musically inclined. The bulk of her training in college (ouside the liberal arts component) was in singing, acting, and dancing and related coursework. The focus of the training was not musical directing or composing. HOWEVER, my D has worked professionally as a musical director, arranger, and composer (she is not unique in this regard as some other BFA in MT graduates have done this too)…and did this throughout college and now beyond college. But she did not go to school to become this or wasn’t trained in her program really do do any of this. Throughout college, she musically directed, composed, and arranged. She has a career as a performer but is very involved in songwriting, composing, and musically directing. She wrote a musical that is being further developed with interest from producers and such. And she is paid to musically direct and to also accompany in professional theater and in educational settings. So, someone with a MT degree can indeed do this! But if this is ALL you want to do, a BFA or BM in MT might not be the right path for you as most of the training is in singing, dancing and acting. A friend of hers who started in the BFA in MT program at Tisch who is very skilled as a MT composer, actually switched to music composition in Steinhardt at NYU midstream and is doing well in that area post graduation. He gave up being a performer on stage. He has a lot of training in the composition aspect. My D is not formerly trained in musical directing or composing and you would not be either if you did a BFA in MT, but if you were skilled at it, like she is, you could still pursue it. But you have to understand that these MT programs are not really training you to be an MD or a composer. If you want your training to focus on that, then a music composition degree is more suitable. The music composition degree may not focus on MT but you have to explore what styles of music are possible in the music composition program. If you are really into this, keep in mind for down the line that NYU/Tisch has a unique graduate (MFA) program in Musical Theater Writing. </p>

<p>So, in sum, major in MT if you want training in acting, singing and dancing and then also get very involved in musical directing and composition. If you only want to train in musical direction and composition, you need more of a music degree that focuses in composition. </p>

<p>If you still go the MT major route, make sure to get very involved in musical directing on campus…student directed musicals, a capella groups, and so on. See if you can take any composition classes. Write songs and musicals and stage these. But don’t do a MT degree program if you have no interest in singing, dancing, and acting yourself.</p>

<p>I realize you may not be interested in Tisch, but just saying, for example, in Tisch’s ETW (Experimental Theater Wing) studio, you can put on what are called Independent Projects whereby the study writes (and/or composes) their own plays and musicals. My D wrote an original musical there in senior year and it continues on past college. She’s much further along with this piece but it all began at Tisch.</p>

<p>I’ll just add another thing…
I advised a student who applied to college for Music Composition. It wasn’t for musical theater (well none of these undergrad composition programs are specific to MT!) but she was definitely into contemporary music…such as indie music. She had to have a portfolio of compositions for some schools. She had recorded a CD of her original songs as well. </p>

<p>You refer to “Ivies” in your post. If you are of Ivy caliber academically, have you looked into music composition at Oberlin, Carnegie Mellon, Northwestern, or Rice? My students is now at Rice’s Shepherd School of Music and in Music Composition. Example for you: Sarah Lawrence.</p>

<p>But BFA/BM in MT degrees or BM in Composition degrees are heavy duty admissions/audition/portfolio processes and not something you can start prepping for late in the game. In fact, trying for some of each is double the work as you’d be preparing compositions/portfolios and singing/acting auditions.</p>

<p>If you have no portfolio of compositions, you need to seek some BA Music programs or programs that have no such requirements to be admitted.</p>

<p>Hi Stegosaurus – I teach at JMU in the Musical Theatre Program. If you have any specific questions about JMU please feel free to PM me or email me at <a href=“mailto:arecchkm@jmu.edu”>arecchkm@jmu.edu</a></p>

<p>Kate</p>

<p>I’ve hired Musical Directors for years. Not once did one of them have a BFA or BM in Musical Theatre. Not to say it doesn’t happen, but I’ve not run across it. My current Music Director has a BM/MM in Composition and a Ph.D. from Yale. From there, he worked his way to Broadway. Just one example. Our former M.D. had an MM in Conducting.</p>

<p>A music/composition degree is a much more common route to becoming a musical director or even a composer. If that is the aim, that is the kind of degree to seek. </p>

<p>But as I said, my own daughter works professionally as a musical director and composer both and has a BFA in MT/Drama, but is skilled in these other areas, though her training in college was not specific to this. Throughout college even, she had paid jobs in this field. There are those with a MT background who are Musical Directors and are composers. But this is likely due to their having some natural skill set with it as their BFA in MT programs don’t teach this specifically.</p>

<p>I’ve heard University of Hartford in Conneticut has a great composition program, specifically for MT. I know someone there right now. It is pricey, though!</p>

<p>Alexa, the Hartt School at University of Hartford does have a Music Composition major. I am unaware of a composition major for MT there. I haven’t found it on their site and am curious. It is uncommon for an undergrad music composition program to have a specific focus on MT composition.</p>

<p>I’ll throw out here that NYU/Steinhardt has a BM in Music Composition and one may specialize in MT composition there.</p>

<p>JMU has students in both the undergrad and grad composition programs who compose for MT. Some of their work has been workshopped by the students in the Music and Musical Theatre programs. </p>

<p>We do have some students in the MT performance program who also compose and musical direct. Those students do not really have the chance to work with the composition faculty, however. :)</p>

<p>Yeah, there are people coming out of BFA or BA in MT programs who are singers/actors/dancers but also compose musicals. My D didn’t get training in it but does it. Look at many others such as Pasek and Paul or Nick Blaemire from UMichigan’s BFA in MT program, for example. </p>

<p>But for the OP, if the main interest is musical directing and composing, while you can do that coming from a BFA or BA in MT program, just know that the training is not specific to that and the main training is in singing, acting and dancing and so it only makes sense to do such a program if you want to also train to be a performer as well. Otherwise, go for music composition.</p>

<p>If you are interested in both (performing/ music directing and composing) you may want to look for programs that will allow you to be involved with and train in both areas.</p>

<p>^^^One thing to look for in a BFA/BA in MT program if you want to do some musical directing and composing…look to see if there are student directed musicals as this is a way to garner experience being a musical director. Also, look to see if the department stages and encourages new works and if these are possible from student writers/composers. Independent studies/projects is one way. Also, depending on your school, look if there are faculty who are playwrights and composers who might mentor you and if you are good at this, might even hire you to musically direct their works. Another opportunity is if your college has a capella groups and these groups have musical directors (all students) who write the arrangements and direct. </p>

<p>While my D’s BFA program didn’t train her in coursework to be a composer or musical director, she was able to do all the things I just listed during her four years in a BFA program. So, look beyond the courses offered for these additional opportunities outside of class to develop as a musical director, composer, arranger, etc.</p>

<p>Thanks for all the input guys! I actually had intentions of being a Composition major… so I have my scores and all. I’ve written choral works, string quartets and band pieces but none have yielded a live recording, although two choral works will be premiered in the spring… I am very wary of my lack of compositional experience. I’ve written a lot, but I don’t have a private teacher or live recordings…
Hence my dilemma. Any advice? </p>

<p>PS I like to think I’m pretty good at Musical Theatre… I’ve had leads in school, community and professional theatre productions, music directed shows, played in pits, been in over 2 dozen shows total, etc. </p>

<p>As far as academic competitiveness, my statistics don’t really line up with my financial situation… My mom is on disability but still recieves income, and my stepdad has to pay heavy heavy child support…</p>

<p>Look over the requirements for these composition programs. It varies a lot. Some may just require the sheet music, whereas others may require CD samples/recordings. Some may not require any of this. You may wish to lean toward composition programs that only require your sheet music or no portfolio. As far as recordings, this may be tricky as you say you wrote pieces for choral, band and string quartet and so I am not sure if this is possible, but can you record the piano part (I assume you play)? Or piano with vocals for the choral pieces (perhaps with a few friends who sing the different parts)? Can you get four musicians at school together to record your string quartet pieces?</p>

<p>PS, I understand that you are skilled at and experienced as a performer. The issue is if you want to do a BFA in MT or not because if your sole aim is to be a musical composer and musical director, the curriculum itself is not geared to that in a BFA in MT program, and so you have to be willing to have the bulk of your coursework in singing, acting and dancing and realize that very little of it will be in music composition and directing, but you can get a lot of experience in those areas in the ways I mentioned above even if in a BFA in MT program. But if you mostly want training in music composition, stick with a composition degree. A BFA in MT program will give you training as a performer and then depending on the specific school, may also provide opportunities to musically direct and compose, but not much coursework in that area.</p>

<p>One other consideration if you go the MT route…perhaps a BM in MT as opposed to a BFA (very generally speaking) may be a better option because a BM is located in a music school or department and many BFAs are in theater departments (with some exceptions like UMich for example). And so if you do a BM in MT such as Baldwin-Wallace, James Madison, NYU/Steinhardt, or Oklahoma City University, as some examples, you may be able to take more music courses or electives and perhaps in composition, more so than in some BFA programs. You’d have to really explore this all ahead of time by contacting the programs.</p>

<p>Another thought is to go to a school with a BA in MT and so maybe you can double major in MT and in Music Composition as BA programs have more flexibility than BFA or BM programs.</p>

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<p>The folks here are the best to guide you for mt options, but if you are looking for straight composition choices, you might want to go through the extensive information compiled here:</p>

<p>Just a sampling of what’s there:
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/990497-realistic-college-list-music-composition.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/990497-realistic-college-list-music-composition.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/1004836-aspiring-composition-help.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/1004836-aspiring-composition-help.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/497283-best-schools-music-composition.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/497283-best-schools-music-composition.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/905628-what-should-someone-looking-composition-major-know.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/905628-what-should-someone-looking-composition-major-know.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
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<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/749881-best-liberal-arts-college-music-program-composition.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/749881-best-liberal-arts-college-music-program-composition.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/419313-expectations-composition-applicants.html?highlight=composition[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/music-major/419313-expectations-composition-applicants.html?highlight=composition&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>SoozieVT- There is not a specific degree for MT Composition, but from the students I know I hear that they focus a lot on composing for musicals, if you understand what I mean. Perhaps it was previously phrased incorrectly.</p>