Advisors trying to coerce you to get off the waitlist?

[Filabusta]

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@ucsdhopeful

Well it’s a choice between not taking the class that you need versus waiting an extra quarter to get the professor you want so much (and by then, maybe only 1-2 professors are teaching and they both stink, then what’s the point?). if you want to be behind, then that’s your choice. if you need the class, you need the class. picking times and professors only works when you actually have choices.

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<p>Talking about choosing an empty section versus waitlisting and not getting the class at all is a different point, and by responding to me with this, you are avoiding the discussion of the importance of people’s opinions of professors that you initiated. You were telling us to not value the opinions of others on ratemyprofessors.com or SAGES because we’d be “biased before [they] even [pick] up the chalk.” I’m telling you that you’re wrong. When we look at the opinions of others, we are not necessarily adopting their opinions, we are taking the facts that form the basis of those opinions and then making our own opinions off of those facts.</p>

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@roflkeke

You know what you need to do then? Study harder. Everyone makes excuses, it’s annoying.

</p>

<p>Excuse me, but what exactly is your point? It makes sense to choose the best teacher when given the choice. When we run out of choices, then we can go for a teacher less ideal. This is quite a very simple concept we both agree on. I’m just telling you that when you write off people’s predisposition towards professors as simply thinking, “ooh, one lectures kooler than the other,” then you are sorely mistaken.</p>

<p>I don’t disagree with your concept of choosing to enroll in an empty section over waitlisting. I, however, take full exception to your belittling of us wanting certain professors over others by explaining they aren’t the “end-all” to learning and most of the burden is on us anyway. We know that, we want to lighten that burden as much as possible. If that fact of human nature is annoying to you, then that phenomenon can only be explained by masochism.</p>

[lolztastic]

<p>Hahaha it seems that ucsdhopeful and roflkeke are trying to get their point of not waitlisting across by stressing an unimportance of picking professors, which is total nonsense. I’ve always suggested that people cut their loses (from choosing an admittedly less-than-ideal professor) and just get into empty classes, NOT that they should pretend that choosing professors doesn’t matter. That’s just stupid.</p>

[roflkeke]

<p>“Excuse me, but what exactly is your point? It makes sense to choose the best teacher when given the choice. When we run out of choices, then we can go for a teacher less ideal. This is quite a very simple concept we both agree on. I’m just telling you that when you write off people’s predisposition towards professors as simply thinking, “ooh, one lectures kooler than the other,” then you are sorely mistaken.”</p>

<p>My point is choosing a teacher just because his tests are easier does not imply, nor make, that he is a better teacher. A good teacher is relative, and everything you read off ratemyprof should be taken with a grain of salt. </p>

<p>“I, however, take full exception to your belittling of us wanting certain professors over others by explaining they aren’t the “end-all” to learning and most of the burden is on us anyway. We know that, we want to lighten that burden as much as possible. If that fact of human nature is annoying to you, then that phenomenon can only be explained by masochism.”</p>

<p>First of all, you don’t know that. Give it a year and you will realize half these threads on CC are idiotic and unnecessary. I know it’s just high school “high” that you seem to think you know how to do everything best. I don’t blame you, I was like that too. And I think you should reread your last sentence. I think you were trying to throw out some great message, but it makes very little sense. Especially your use of masochism. Do you even know what that means, because you either don’t know what it means or didn’t use it properly.</p>

<p>“Hahaha it seems that ucsdhopeful and roflkeke are trying to get their point of not waitlisting across by stressing an unimportance of picking professors, which is total nonsense. I’ve always suggested that people cut their loses (from choosing an admittedly less-than-ideal professor) and just get into empty classes, NOT that they should pretend that choosing professors doesn’t matter. That’s just stupid.”</p>

<p>Where did I imply that choosing professors is not important. I stressed that getting into a class is more important than falling behind. How do these new students know that their favorite professor will teach their class next quarter? What if they don’t teach for another year.</p>

<p>I really wish new students would get off their high horse and calm down. I know you were the smart kid in high school and everyone listened to you for advice…But I don’t think you understand what college is yet.</p>

[system]

<p>No. Since clearly everyone is distorting my words, I’ll make it simple, in a list format for all the high school kids who think they’re on top of the world:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>Getting into a class is the most important, unless you want to be behind a quarter. Probably the only exception to this is if you’re very high on the waitlist, like #5 out of 300 or #1/40 or you aren’t concerned about getting in and you already have a back-up class ready if you don’t get in.</p></li>
<li><p>Getting the professor is the next most important thing, but are you going to not take a class one quarter because there’s only one teacher teaching the class and he has a 25% rating on CAPE? No, you stop crying and study hard (unless again, you want to fall behind). Just because you couldn’t pick teachers in high school and you can now in college doesn’t mean you have to go overboard. In the end, maybe the 2nd best teacher does the better job for YOU.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Once again, I am not emphasizing the fact that professor-picking does not matter, nor that the best option is to go with the sh**tiest professor. If you have a choice, pick the best one available. If you don’t, get into one of the classes. You think you know all the answers but you have so long and so far to go before you’re ready to dispense advice. I’m only a second year, but I help all of my friends out with their scheduling needs and they have yet to go astray because they know that in the end, I’m right 90% of the time. I won’t be arrogant enough to claim the last 10% as you probably would.</p>

<ol>
<li>Getting the time is the least important thing. Who gives a flying rat’s a** if you can’t go out Friday night because you have class at 6pm? Sure, college is about having fun too, but you’re in college to get a degree and you always have next quarter to make your schedule look nicer.</li>
</ol>

<p>If you want to f*** yourself over just to get good professors, then that’s your business, but my parents, as taxpayers in the top bracket, are helping to pay for your tuition (fyi, it does not cost just $7k a year to educate you), so I hope you graduate in less than 6 years, so that you stop being a leech on society. </p>

<p>Your first resort seems to be to just waitlist for your favorite teacher instead of considering other teachers and for that, I pity you that you think 10 people will drop out of a class just for you. I was in your position last quarter and I’ve now learned my lesson. In fact, I will recount the story for you. Chem6C spring quarter, I had a choice between waitlisting for Hoeger, barely getting into Hale and having a wide-open space of Czworkowski. Friends told me I’d definitely get into Hoeger as #7/35 but I moved up to #3 at the 2 week mark and quickly switched into Czworkowski. Had I not been so stubborn at my registration time, I would have gotten into an equally qualified professor’s class instead of waiting out on a slightly better teacher. Because of this, I’ve now learned to stop picking professors so much and I suggest you do the same before you realize there is no fall-back for you like Czworkowski was for me. I would have been behind and I would not have been able to take Chem140A (Orgo) in the fall.</p>

<p>Czworkowski is NOT a bad guy. I wouldn’t even say his tests are unfair. He just can’t lecture. In fact, here’s his first test from fall quarter for reference: <a href=“http://chem-courses.ucsd.edu/CoursePages/LowerDiv/6A_Czworkowski/archive_2006F/Test1_CHEM6A_2pm_FormA_Answers.pdf[/url]”>http://chem-courses.ucsd.edu/CoursePages/LowerDiv/6A_Czworkowski/archive_2006F/Test1_CHEM6A_2pm_FormA_Answers.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>That is completely representative of the material you should be learning anyway.</p>

<p>I’m out.</p>

[system]

<p>And for reference, here’s one of Johnson’s old tests:</p>

<p><a href=“http://chem-courses.ucsd.edu/CoursePages/LowerDiv/6A_Johnson/HTML/Exams/Practice/Old%20Exam%201%20-%20Chem6A.htm[/url]”>http://chem-courses.ucsd.edu/CoursePages/LowerDiv/6A_Johnson/HTML/Exams/Practice/Old%20Exam%201%20-%20Chem6A.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>Teachers WILL curve accordingly; 6A will most likely be curved to a B-/C+. That said, Czworkowski curved 80% to an A- and I believe Johnson curved an 85% to an A-, though someone can confirm it if they wish.</p>

[ihavenolife]

<p>^ I like the last question on the Czworkowski’s test</p>

[system]

<p>gotta make it worth 100 points ya know. and hey, johnson did it too.</p>

<p>btw, I believe Johnson stopped using free response questions on her tests. Only multiple choice now, and 20-25 of them in 50 minutes.</p>

[roflkeke]

<p>No free response a chemistry test? Cop out, the only way to see if you know your chemistry is free response. Boo! Haha</p>

<p>Nice post hopeful. Hopefully the people in this thread read it before it’s too late.</p>

[lovelynight]

<p>Huh. The tests you posted really seem easier than the Chem AP test…Or at least the material was covered in chem AP</p>

<p>Does anybody know where to see sample honors tests?</p>

<p>That would be great, Thanks!</p>

[system]

<p>practice midterm for chem6ah: <a href=“http://chem-courses.ucsd.edu/CoursePages/LowerDiv/6ABC_Hoeger/6AH_Practice_Exam_1.pdf[/url]”>http://chem-courses.ucsd.edu/CoursePages/LowerDiv/6ABC_Hoeger/6AH_Practice_Exam_1.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>I took AP Chem, got a 5, retook the chem6 series. Easier the second time around but definitely new material I hadn’t seen before, if that helps. Probably should have taken the honors sequence so that I didn’t screw the class curve.</p>

[lovelynight]

<p>Thanks!
10char</p>

[Filabusta]

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@roflkeke

My point is choosing a teacher just because his tests are easier does not imply, nor make, that he is a better teacher. A good teacher is relative, and everything you read off ratemyprof should be taken with a grain of salt.

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<p>I neither said that a teacher’s tests necessarily makes her better nor that everything on RMP ought to be taken as fact. In fact, I specifically said that we can gather facts from RMP (for example: the type of tests) and then form our opinions based on that, good or bad. You are putting words in my mouth.</p>

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@roflkeke

First of all, you don’t know that. Give it a year and you will realize half these threads on CC are idiotic and unnecessary. I know it’s just high school “high” that you seem to think you know how to do everything best. I don’t blame you, I was like that too.

</p>

<p>So you are sitting on a high horse because you’ve been through a part of college already? How does that say anything about the habits or preferences of other students? I am saying that some of us want to choose certain professors over others because we want to lighten our burden. If you think that’s idiotic, that’s totally cool, but most importantly, that is your opinion. </p>

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@roflkeke

And I think you should reread your last sentence. I think you were trying to throw out some great message, but it makes very little sense. Especially your use of masochism. Do you even know what that means, because you either don’t know what it means or didn’t use it properly.

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<p>Please, at worst, I could’ve used dictionary.com to figure out what masochism meant before I used it. It’s only one click away. If you find people desiring certain professors over others for certain “excuses” (ie. wanting to lighten their burden as a student) annoying, then you clearly don’t care about wanting to lighten your own burden as a student in that way. If you enjoy bringing more burdens upon yourself, I’d say that’s pretty masochistic.</p>

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@roflkeke

I really wish new students would get off their high horse and calm down. I know you were the smart kid in high school and everyone listened to you for advice…But I don’t think you understand what college is yet.

</p>

<p>I think your one year of college has gotten to your head and you think you can belittle everything new students on CC have to say. But the fact is, all you could’ve said was, “It’s more important to get into the actual class then get your favorite professor. If the favorite professor has no more spots, then cut your losses and choose an empty section or else you risk getting into none of them.” Instead, you chose to speak from an elitist standpoint:</p>

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@roflkeke

People need to realize that the teachers aren’t the end all to the class. In college you learn, the teacher doesn’t really teach. I mean the lectures are helpful, but at the end of the day it is all on you.

</p>

<p>Why do you assume that we don’t realize that? We just want the best teacher possible. That’s all. If not, then we relent.</p>

<p>

@roflkeke

You know what you need to do then? Study harder. Everyone makes excuses, it’s annoying.

</p>

<p>Talk about high horses. You assume we don’t know about the differences between high school teachers and college professors. You call our concerns “idiotic,” “unnecessary,” and “annoying.” You try to ridicule my use of vocabulary when there’s absolutely nothing wrong with it. And most importantly, you write us off as silly high school students who think they know everything. We don’t know everything, that’s why we’re here. But if you try to belittle us, we will fire back.</p>

[roflkeke]

<p>Want to know the difference between an adult and a child? An adult knows when the time is to stop arguing with the child, whereas the child will continue to argue no matter how late the night is.</p>

[Filabusta]

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@ucsdhopeful

Once again, I am not emphasizing the fact that professor-picking does not matter, nor that the best option is to go with the sh**tiest professor.

</p>

<p>Fair enough, but it sounded as if you did.</p>

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@ucsdhopeful

You think you know all the answers but you have so long and so far to go before you’re ready to dispense advice.

</p>

<p>I don’t have answers, and I am not dispensing advice. I was merely rejecting yours (again, it seemed like you were saying profs weren’t important) on the grounds of things said in my posts. But if you are just saying what I said, that we shouldn’t risk not getting in the class by waitlisting for a good professor, then I have no issue with that.</p>

<p>You may have experience, but if you expect us to agree with every single thing you say without any ounce of skepticism or evaluation, then you must think you are talking to sheep.</p>

<p>

@ucsdhopeful

Your first resort seems to be to just waitlist for your favorite teacher instead of considering other teachers and for that, I pity you that you think 10 people will drop out of a class just for you.

</p>

<p>Who said that? I never said it. I told you I never disagreed with that, only what I perceived to you saying profs didn’t matter. Lolztastic didn’t say that. He/She even provided a story about a friend who waitlisted for Johnson but couldn’t get in and wasted 2 weeks.</p>

[Filabusta]

<p>

@roflkeke

Want to know the difference between an adult and a child? An adult knows when the time is to stop arguing with the child, whereas the child will continue to argue no matter how late the night is.

</p>

<p>Want to know the difference between humble adults and arrogant, elitist ones? Humble adults know to admit when they’re wrong. You clearly don’t. You are the most elitist member of CC I have ever seen.</p>

[lolztastic]

<p>

@filabusta

You clearly don’t. You are the most elitist member of CC I have ever seen.

</p>

<p>I totally agree with that. Giving advice is one thing, but trying to defend it by calling people children or high school students who don’t know any better is pushing it. Can’t we just have a discussion without throwing out personal insults?</p>

<p>Most importantly, if there wasn’t a tone of arrogance in your first comment, roflkeke, I don’t think this debate would’ve even started.</p>

[getasnowjob]

<p>You guys are going at it without even realizing that students have received this:</p>

<p>*"Attention 2007 First-Year Students:</p>

<p>During your enrollment access period time, you may notice certain sections in the lower division Math and Chemistry courses might be at seating capacity. If you are attempting to enroll for a Math and/or Chemistry section that is full, we recommend you enroll into the waitlist section. Both the Math and Chemistry department are working in resolving this issue in order to accommodate student need. You will receive an email from the Math and Chemistry department as seats become available on how to enroll for the section you waitlisted.</p>

<p>For those students who have not submitted AP scores or have not taken the Math Placement Exam by the September date, the Math and Chemistry departments will be able to accommodate you with the appropriate course needed to enroll."*</p>

<p>and that advisors openly suggested to some that you should waitlist instead feeling forced to take classes at **times<a href=“yeah,%20not%20just%20a%20game%20of%20picking%20professors”>/B</a> that don’t suit you.</p>

<p>Stop arguing. It’s pointless. You guys don’t even disagree. The issue is clearly one of college-student snobbery and high school student contentiousness.</p>

[roflkeke]

<p>“Want to know the difference between humble adults and arrogant, elitist ones? Humble adults know to admit when they’re wrong. You clearly don’t. You are the most elitist member of CC I have ever seen.”</p>

<p>I guess you didn’t get the hint. I’m done arguing with you. I have better things to do then read comments like yours.</p>

<p>“Most importantly, if there wasn’t a tone of arrogance in your first comment, roflkeke, I don’t think this debate would’ve even started.”</p>

<p>News alert, the world is not always nice. More at eleven.</p>

[chemical_relapse]

<p>getasnowjob, did you receive that via e-mail? cuhz i can’t find that info anywhere.</p>

<p>anyhow, if they’re gonna try to work things out, that’s GREAT.</p>

[getasnowjob]

<p>^No, actually, I got it from
<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=4603300&postcount=16[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/showpost.php?p=4603300&postcount=16&lt;/a&gt;
which is from this thread.</p>

<p>As for roflkeke: it’s funny how you keep talking about being mature and not wasting time with Filabusta while desperately vying for the last word. Get out of here; we don’t need your kind of attitude.</p>