Album, CD or mp3 for best sound?

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<p>CDs can get scratched to the point of being unplayable due to manufacturing defects(i.e. dyes leaking through layers, oxidation from ineffective sealing of metallic layers, etc), improper handling, etc. Picked up a few used CDs from the '80s which had this issue. Thankfully, they were all free and I was able to get replacements. </p>

<p>As for Vinyl getting scratched while playing, that’s true if you’re using a regular stylus for playing them. </p>

<p>However, they now have record players which use lasers to play records so the wear & tear from playing them is no longer a factor. They are a bit on the expensive side though. </p>

<p>Ahhh, the old “fireside albums” :)) </p>

<p>I have no experience with laser turntables but it sure seems like you are missing part of the attraction of vinyl… mainly, putting the needle down on the record. </p>

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<p>I believe the laser turn tables do allow you to do that. Only difference is that the laser stylus is actually floating slightly above the vinyl groove using a laser to playback the information as opposed to the standard regular stylus sitting in the groove. </p>

<p>Ahh, the one a googled looked like it had a CD-style tray where you slide the LP into the slot. </p>

<p><a href=“http://www.elpj.com”>http://www.elpj.com</a></p>

<p>Those are really, per what I’ve read about them, for playing damaged records and old stuff. The record has to be really clean or it pops and crackles. I think it would great to have one at an archive, especially at $5k and up, where you can adjust the beam angle so it picks up the undamaged parts, etc. for transferring to new storage.</p>

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<p>They also have them for sale for music lovers…especially audiophiles who are willing to pay a premium. </p>

<p>Great to play one’s vinyl collection without wearing them out through playback.</p>

<p>Reading the NY Times this morning compelled me to respond to @psalcal’s earlier linked study:</p>

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<p>and a little googling found this scholarly treatise from the Austendig Institute, a non profit organization that researches how the environment affects sensory perception: <a href=“http://www.anstendig.org/ABTesting.html”>http://www.anstendig.org/ABTesting.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>So I on’t think a/b/x testing in evaluating audio components is any more or less valid than using the Dale and Krueger studies to chose a college.</p>

<p>…and I’ll refrain from commenting on Beats headphones.</p>

<p>Science museums for kids exist in large part to play games with our senses. Grab this and then this and one feels colder but reverse and oops. Our perceptions are shockingly relative and non-objective.</p>

<p>@audiophile‌ - As you might expect, we disagree. :slight_smile: I agree that a/b/x testing is not PERFECT… it’s the only tool we have to try and eliminate expectation bias. Expectation bias is a FAR bigger issue than anything else in audio when it comes to comparing. Mr. Anstendig is welcome to his own opinion (I didn’t read the article). But I don’t believe there is much controversy around a/b/x testing except in the audiophile community. In the scientific community, I’m not aware of any such controversy. As you might also expect… I put more credence in the scientific community than the community that brought us $500 power cables and $5000 interconnects. :)</p>

<p>I’m sure you realize that the concertmaster who you quoted above has a vested interest in his position. That doesn’t make it wrong… but most people in the industry don’t like to see change. If new instruments aren’t preferred to old instruments in blind testing, then that is a major change. </p>

<p>The biggest problem with NOT doing a/b/x testing on your assumptions besides the expectation bias is the fact that just moving your head an inch or two in either direction has FAR bigger impact on sound than converters or many other audio factors… it’s a HUGE difference, especially in untreated rooms. So when you are doing a non-blind test, unless you keep your head in a vice you are also testing the room and your memory AND also allowing your own expectation bias to influence you. </p>

<p>So if you’re saying a/b/x testing is not perfect… we agree. But… it’s the best thing we’ve got. Until we figure out a better way.</p>

<p>NOW… about those Beats headphones… they are TERRIFIC if you like a lot of extra hyped bass AND want to look “cool.” :)</p>

<p>The only thing I trust is my own ears. Spent a couple of years switching out components until I was truly happy with my system, and haven’t changed anything for a while (save going up 1 level in my preferred speaker manufacturer). My speaker cables are under $12/ft and all of my interconnects were well under $100/pr.</p>

<p>Yes, I have heard great systems (cough<em>Martin Logan</em>cough) that when you were 1" out of the sweet spot, they sounded like crap.</p>

<p>We definitely agree on the Beats, however!</p>

<p>Ya, but… your brain makes your ears nearly worthless when it comes to a/b comparison! #confirmationbias! </p>

<p><a href=“Confirmation bias - Wikipedia”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>The only thing that beats “Beats” for marketing hype is Bose and Monster Cable… and believe it or not there is an interesting story about how beats got started… and Monster Cable was a partner. </p>

<p>Good read: <a href=“Beat By Dre: The Exclusive Inside Story of How Monster Lost the World”>Beat By Dre: The Exclusive Inside Story of How Monster Lost the World;

<p>I love my beats headphones (not earbuds). They were free, so they are good enough for me. I do like bass, and I’m just not a headphone snob… </p>

<p>There are real differences between the formats, some of which may be discernible, others not. One of the complaints with CD’s (that has come down to MP3 and other digital formats ) is coldness, that often boils down to issues like white noise, present in analog recording media like records or for example, in a tube amplifier, that aren’t present in digital formats. The other issue is that with digital recording, they do ‘cleanup’ on the sound, to take out ‘noise’, but in the process it also affects the music (and with digital formats, they also employ lossy compression as well). Digital recording also tends to clip off at a certain frequency range that might add to this. </p>

<p>Vinyl in one sense has an edge, and that is that when you play an album on vinyl, the process is totally analog, the needle is vibrating, that creates an electrical signature the amplified picks up and strengthens, that in turn will drive a speaker to vibrate. CD’s and digital recordings take an analog signal, convert it to digital (A to D), process the sounds, lays it out as digital sound format files. When you play it, the player reads the digital format, and converts it to an analog output, and those steps change the sound fundamentally…</p>

<p>One of the problems with comparisons is that people get conditioned to certain sounds. They have done studies with young people, who have grow up with MP3/AAC and so forth, and tested them with low quality MP3 (not 256 bit) against high quality formats, the kids for the most part preferred the lower quality MP3’s, primarily because that is what they were used to. </p>

<p>It also depends on the kind of music, dance music or pop music relies a lot less on purity of sound, especially given they tend to be played at loud volumes. It is different with something like classical music, where overtones, though we cannot hear them, are important, and what distinguishes the sound often are the overtone series for a particular chord or sound. I have listened to the same classical recording on vinyl, on CD, on standard MP3/AAC, on 24 bit wave file recording, and it sounds different to me, and I don’t have a particularly discerning ear. </p>

<p>I also suspect some of the problems are the way they actually record the music, too, these days, where getting stuff out fast and with record companies trying to do things as cheaply as possible, I wonder how much of it is degraded recording, rather than the formats…</p>

<p>Now to be really funny, we have old 78 recordings done of classical music, I am talking when recording was literally all analog, where a single microphone was used and the ‘recording’ was a vibrating needle scribing a master disk, and in many ways I prefer those recordings to what was done once they went to electronic recording onto tape using multiple channels, etc. I have one recording from somewhere around 1919 with Mischa Ellman and Enrico Caruso, and for something done the way it was recorded back then, it has amazing sound. </p>

<p>Good point, musicprnt! While some CDs are well mastered, most modern rock/pop music is compressed and mastered too loud. Generally more care is taken these days mastering the vinyl and SACDs on specialty labels that command premium prices. See [The</a> loudness wars](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war][B]The”>Loudness war - Wikipedia) to understand why so many of us are frustrated with the majority of current redbook CDs.</p>

<p>I agree with the loud mastering. But loud mastering gives you less dynamic range, not more dynamic range. Meaning… it is more analog sounding than digital. Digital has way more S/N ratio. </p>

<p>As far as the rest of it goes… the truth is that many of us who grew up listening to tape and vinyl prefer the distortion that happens in those mediums. That is what we are conditioned to. Digital sounds bright because it doesn’t roll of high end the way vinyl or tape do. Both mediums get worse over time (and sound less like the studio recording). </p>

<p>Heck, even studio recordings when they were on tape tended to lose high end as the session wore on… we just got used to all that missing treble. </p>

<p>I wonder if the vast majority of music listeners…especially those using mini-jack earphones, most computer soundchips/speakers, or low-mid-end budget stereos can tell the difference between CDs and reasonably decently encoded mp3s. </p>

<p>I’m pretty skeptical, personally. </p>