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<p>Is there any reason to assume that cases brought for wrongful expulsion are representative of all cases of expulsion? Any reason at all? </p>
<p>Yes, because the colleges that lost did not follow there own processes and procedures and I hope they aren’t representative. You guys are grasping. Reread Jonri’s post…it’s well articulated and better than I have done and i agree strongly with the last two paragraphs 100%. You will never, ever convince me that mandatory reporting would not be a good thing. Sorry. </p>
<p>I agree with jonri’s post. I gave jonri a like. :)</p>
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<p>No, there’s no reason that the legal cases would be representative of the complete pool of expulsions. I imagine that the people who file for wrongful expulsion would have stronger evidence supporting them than the larger pool of people who are expelled. That could mean that this just represents the small pool of innocent men who are expelled. Alternatively (or in addition to this,) it could mean that this is the subset of expelled men who have actual witnesses demonstrating their innocence. In most case, there are no such witnesses as it is many times a he-said she-said case. So only a small percentage of those expelled may be able to win their wrongful punishment cases, but this may not suggest fairness, but rather just that it is unlikely to have witnesses who can testify that sex was consensual. </p>
<p>I gave it a like too- but it’s not just about the last lines.</p>
<p>Why do some keep telling us what they assume,suppose or think? Or sometimes, what someone else thinks. Can we get better than that?</p>
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<p>Well, not necessarily. Plenty of people wake up in bed with someone after being out drinking with them the night before and don’t remember having sex, but are also quite sure that they must have consented at the time. They don’t feel assaulted or traumatized. If they feel regret, they tell themselves that they need to curb their drinking in the future. </p>
<p>This is perfectly reasonable to me. </p>
<p>Yes. </p>
<p>Hmmmmmmm.</p>
<p><a href=“UVa officials were aware of sexual assault allegations two months before Rolling Stone controversy”>UVa officials were aware of sexual assault allegations two months before Rolling Stone controversy;
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<p>Hmmmmm…I don’t know about this…</p>
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<p>@Pizzagirl and M2L, I saw your posts with a question for me. I do think is an important question, because I can definitely understand how it seems the way you state. I have an answer, but I really do not want to wreck the flow of the current discussion, which I find quite interesting. When I see a break or change, I will respond. </p>
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<p>That’s possible, but it’s reaching. It assumes most students who were expelled were expelled unjustly. Come on, there are no actual assaults that result in justified expulsion? I know of one case of a student expelled for attempted rape.The rapist announced to other students that he was going to go after a young woman, and several of the other students stopped him once from going to her room. Later in the night, he forced himself into her room. Happily, one of the other students had been waiting around her room for just that eventuality, and again stopped him. He was expelled. His parents fought the expulsion.</p>
<p>And it also assumes that in these cases of unjust expulsion, the college expelled the accused student just on the word of the accuser, rather than with other persuasive evidence. What is your reason for believing colleges are doing this? (Please do not bring up Occidental yet again. In the Oxy case, the student admitted to violating the college rules. The rules were stupid and should be changed, but it is undisputed that he violated them and that violating them was an offense that could be punished by expulsion.)</p>
<p>In court everyone is cross examined by lawyers. Giving a deposition, being cross examined or being questioned by a judge is no easy task whether you are the accuser or the defendant. All attorneys for the opposing side can be hostile if you have ever ever been in a legal battle of any sort. It is not unique to victims of crime and certainly the legal system is not going to give rape victims a preferred status over every other sort of victim in the legal system. The courts are not like a TV show. On another note legal bills quickly add up into the tens of thousand of dollars. Just the depositions, the filings, the delays without a full blown trial can easily be $50-100K before reaching trial in a civil dispute case that has nothing to do with a rape.</p>
<p>One thing about this story in post 2892… </p>
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<p>Ok…I admit. I am speculating now. If the above is true…</p>
<p>WHAT? WHAT? </p>
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<p>Being told a girl says she was forced to perform oral sex is not enough to do anything of substance? </p>
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<p>Ok. That’s a relief. ;)</p>
<p>Wow! I hope that report isn’t true. Some president is going to have to do a little explaining. </p>
<p>@TV4caster - I am cool with no debate between us if that is what you choose. Your choice, obviously, as it was not a debate I commenced. You are free to start and fee to end, as I had nothing to do with it, except not accept a false accusation. </p>
<p>However, you should reflect that no one has said that I was wrong in my defense, but several have made clear you were in error in your accusations. And they did that BEFORE I responded to you. I agree with those posts because they accurately reflected exactly what I was saying. Maybe, just maybe, you jumped the logic gun.</p>
<p>Anyway, I do agree; it is best for you to just back out of the debate you started. You probably noted that I did not even address the final two quotes. Saw no need to as my defense would be the same as the others. Basically, nothing there in your accusations, no matter how often you repeat. </p>
<p>Either way, the posts stand as they are, and people can make their own minds up, if your accusation is accurate. So far, though, I see no one backing you up. And if you were correct, there are enough posters on here that would like a piece of me that they would have happily jumped on the “Get awcntdb” bandwagon. But, look, no takers on your end. That silence alone may tell you something about the accuracy and strength of your accusation. Peace out.</p>
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<p>Thank you. This is my limited experience which is why sending cases to civil court is not going to work. Way too expensive.</p>
<p>The president and the dean have a lot of explaining to do if post 2892 is correct.</p>
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<p>I didn’t mean to imply that.</p>
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<p>I didn’t mean to imply that. I just wanted to point out that there is more than one factor determining whether an expelled individual files or doesn’t file a wrongful expulsion suit.</p>
<p>I suppose the real issue at hand is whether rape should remain a criminal offense or be reclassified as a civil one. Trying to have it both ways just leads to circular debates with no real effect on incidence…</p>
<p>Of course it can be both, but rape is most certainly a criminal offense. A civil suit can be brought in accordance with the law regardless of whether the basis for the suit may also be a criminal action.</p>