I don’t know what more we need.
A few comments -
First - as a result of this thread my Google search history is starting to resemble that of a sex pervert. I am going to have to throw away my computer.
Second - looks like posting nude pictures/photos is only a crime in 15 or so states. The laws haven’t caught up to the problem. According to this article, http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-1204-revenge-porn-20141205-story.html, this “revenge porn” stuff looks like a misdemeanor in CA, not a felony. The guy got a 12 month sentence; I assume he’ll serve 4 months or so. Compare that to rape which is a felony with about a 10 year sentence, 5 years served.
So, do we expel students for a misdemeanor? Isn’t underaged drinking / marijuana use one too? Don’t know. I admit I’m torn. I thought the solution I came up with in my previous post of an “eye for an eye” wasn’t bad. I’d ask the victim what would make her feel that justice had been done.
Don’t get me wrong - if other people think the frat guys should be expelled then I wouldn’t shed a tear.
I agree with this. I have no problem with colleges expelling people for actions that aren’t crimes at all (like plagiarism, for example). A college can decide that it just doesn’t want people around who would do something like this.
I still want the process for expelling somebody to be fair, of course–that has to include being able to know that what you’re doing is prohibited, for example, and some reasonable level of proof that you actually did it.
Expelling them doesn’t bother me. Expelling anybody for anything doesn’t really bother me. Holding a fake trial and labeling someone a rapist does bother me, though.
LOL! Me too.
Maybe we will end up sharing a jail cell together. 
They were in Panama City on spring break. The girl’s father was a police officer and told her to go to the college. Probably because he knew it was a misdemeanor offense in that state. You guys are blood-thirsty - I’m not sure I could expel in this particular case for something kids did when they were away from the college on spring break and again if the girl wasn’t willing to press charges… I guess I could expel for crimes against the college and when students are convicted in a court of law.
I agree with Hunt. A college should expel for serious violations of college code of conduct, which would include academic infractions like plagiarism, as well as non-academic infractions like repeated hate speech, even if they’re not illegal. It’s not illegal, and shouldn’t be illegal, for someone to sit in the middle of the quad every day and say that all n----s deserve to die, but the person who does it should be booted out on his butt. It’s not illegal to plagiarize, but the repeat offender should not get her degree. Similarly, it might not be illegal to share naked videos online, but the college should have a higher standard for behavior than “It’s not illegal.”
We’re not expelling for what they did away on spring break. We’re expelling for what they did when they got back-- sharing the video.
My guess is the father, who is a policeman, wanted these guys expelled… Before they graduated.
A wild guess. 
The father also probably did not want his daughter embroiled in a potential court case in Florida, far from the school and their home.
I don’t know…I think it’s thin, thin ice when we think colleges should expel for this and expel for that and expel, expel, expel. If that is what the temperature is then some colleges need to be very, very explicit with their expectations for kids on campus and they need to spell it out if they are going to extend their jurisdiction to students that are on vacation or off campus on foreign study etc. just like colleges with rigid codes of conduct like BYU and Liberty have. I don’t know I can’t see it…kind of gives me the shakes frankly. It’s a misdemeanor and up to a $2500 fine in some states and not or barely illegal in other states… you all are going to expel? Really? Do you never surf You Tube? Don’t you think that there are going to be guys in California that are going to use videotape to prove consent? Would you expel all of them?
I guess I am the law and order candidate.
If guys are groping girls without their consent, and videotaping their actions, and they are distributing the videotapes, the guys struck out. They are outta here. Don’t let the door knob assault you on the way out.
Please don’t wear any clothing with the school’s name on it. We don’t want you adverstising that you went here.
Good luck.
As Dartmouth says, getting expelled is not as bad as a conviction. Turn your lives around…somewhere else.
Would I expel people who sexually molested other students, videotaped the molestation and passed around the video at college? Yes, with extreme prejudice, and without a second thought once I was confident they were guilty.
I don’t think it’s necessarily to specifically include “Don’t video your sex crimes and don’t share the videos of your sex crimes with your college friends” in the college code of conduct. I’d think it was right up there with “Don’t burn down campus buildings” and “Don’t put arsenic in the food at the dining hall.” Some things shouldn’t need to be said.
Note that the assaulters were frat boys, because of course they were.
I would expel them too (before they graduate). At the very least, the school should have suspended them until their victim had graduated and left the school. And if she went straight to grad school there? They would wait longer to return.
Why should she ever have to see them or worry about running into them on campus?
Sad thing is the victim in this case ended up withdrawing because her grades fell and she lost her financial aid. I would have expelled them in a heartbeat.
I can answer this one based on what I have actually seen.
In the corporate-situated rape cases I have seen, I stated earlier that all of the plaintiffs lost. And they lost for this exact reason - there was either videotape, eyewitness testimony, or both that left little doubt, at least at that specific time, that sex was the intent and the plaintiff had consented in one way or another.
I do recall something along the lines in one case that initiation of activity by the female was a substitute or equivalent to consent. Do not know how the exact phrasing went though.
No one knows what happened in private, but the last known activity and words had indicated consent, often in more than one way, and this is what did these cases in. People more believed the activity, which was testified too, not the unseen activity that was opposite of what others saw. And it was often the female’s friends who testified that they also expected their friend to have sex given the friend’s words or indications to them.
In these cases though, I do not recall any “let’s get drunk” statements, but drinking was implicitly agreed to since both parties were getting drinks for each other. And that was another aspect, it was not like the male was feeding the female drinks, there was mutual drinking supported by both parties.
I’m looking at the NVCS data that was used to generate the report that momofthreeboys talked about, comparing rape rates of college women versus non-college women of the same age. I’ve got a quiz time for you all.
In 2013, the survey interviewed households containing 182,699 people, asking about crime victimizations of anyone in the household. Would you care to guess how many reports of incidents of “Completed rape” they compiled? Note that there is also a somewhat smaller number of attempted but not completed rapes, and some non-rape sexual assaults.
It would depend on the evidence she presented that she changed her mind, assuming that it was clear that the initial “Let’s get drunk and have sex” comment appeared to be serious rather than a joke. She can revoke her consent at any time, but I’d want persuasive evidence that she did.
I do hope people see the problem with this scenario above. If there is no videotape or eyewitnesses, no one has a clue that Drunk student 1 really passed out prior to sex or did not consent. That is just a fabricated fact to support the conclusion, but no one knows.
And having been involved in court cases with entirely sober people where what they said was totally undependable and inaccurate and proved to be so, I am suspect of how people are quick to attach themselves to details relayed by a clearly non-sober person, as totally accurate.
@momofthreeboys “then some colleges need to be very, very explicit with their expectations for kids on campus and they need to spell it out if they are going to extend their jurisdiction to students that are on vacation or off campus on foreign study etc.”
In the JMU case there was such an explicit clause in the student handbook. It states that students could be held accountable by the university for infractions off campus. They specifically include sexual assault as an example of instances where they will hold students accountable for off campus offenses.