Yeah. I gather that this is exactly the case, which is why I think if any school is mentioned in a list of superior character building schools, it ought to be Princeton. It seems to me the notion of honor is built right into the culture of the place so that when a student steps outside of it, they no longer feel “Princetonian” (at least that seems to be the goal, however effective it is). I don’t know anything about this Templeton organization. I do believe that the sort of absorbed, private honor that I see being nurtured at Princeton does not often get honored. So, I figure if someone picks up on this and wants to draw attention to it, power to ‘em.</p>
<p>Rorosen:</p>
<p>Your questions are fascinating. I don’t think I can answer them satisfactorily. But I’ll just say my own belief on the value of honor is that it is not just a meme that has infected us. I think it has a basis that is probably grounded in human biology, based right in the mechanical meaning of being human. Ultimately it is knowledge of the fact that You = Me and that each of our behaviors must reflect this essential truth if it is to conform to what we are. If it does not conform to this truth (i.e. should I push a behavior on you that I would not wish done to me), I act qualitatively unlike what I am.</p>
<p>EK:</p>
<p>My point was that volunteering itself is not proof of a focus on inward character, not to say such a focus does not exist in a volunteer or a volunteer program, but that the amount a person volunteers or the size of a volunteer program is not proof that such focus exists. This is especially true if participants in these programs or the programs themselves are gaining admiration, awards, college admissions, and other valuables for their services (which sometimes causes me to wonder if some volunteers are being as altruistic as they appear). I am thinking that Templeton is more interested in schools that are just as interested in building private character as they are in all this public stuff. If so, then it might help us understand why the foundation might not mention a school with a whole lot of volunteerism. Someone once said that character is doing what you know is right, even when it would be impossible ever to be caught or noticed for it. It could be Templeton is trying to deal with this sort of ethic in the policies of schools in addition to the outward stuff we commonly associate with character.</p>
<p>Now, I am not saying that any school not on the list is objectively void of a concern for private character. I personally don’t know anything about most of these schools where that is concerned. I am saying that it could be the case that Templeton has evaluated the policies of the schools and found some of them focused much more evenly on both private and public character than others. If so, I think it is a worthy effort, even if it merely brings attention to the issue of private character.</p>
<p>I’m so glad Ohio U. (my alma mater) is on there… but haven’t a clue why! I remember that many kids were just there to drink and puke, and I don’t remember a shred of anything vaguely character-building or honory. My DD’s U is not on on the list, although it has a student run honor council (<a href=“http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~honor/)%5B/url%5D”>http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~honor/)</a>, and every test, exam, and paper has a signed handwritten statement by the student attesting to compliance with the honor code, and plenty of volunteering, Leadership programs and internships, emphasis on civic engagement, etc. going on. Maybe nobody in the Rice admin office bothered to fill out or return the questionaire? Ha! ;)</p>
<p>UW rules! Washington beat out Wisconsin, 110-106 Peace Corps recruits, ending my UW’s longtime leadership. It helps to be a large school to produce the numbers.</p>
<p>I much prefer the schools where you learn without being molded. Wis has a saying (too lazy to look it up) involving winnowing, learning to separate the wheat from the chaff- a much more worthy goal than one idea of character. (BTW- wheat, in Wis?? They switched to dairying because there was too much competition with wheat many years ago…) Also, someone mentions lengthy questionnaires- there is so much more worthy material needing attention I’m sure many schools didn’t bother with this, I wonder what their response rate was. I also suspect some schools are just too liberal for any committee to be able to agree on any such behavioral issues.</p>
<p>As Catholic school kids, we didn’t study all that much Scripture. But the one piece of Scripture that was drilled into our heads daily, both at home & school, was “Don’t blow your own horn.”</p>
<p>Somehow I doubt this list will make a huge impact on application decisions. Use it if you value Templeton’s mission; ignore it if you don’t. When making weighty decisions, seeking more data points & more opinions is a good thing.</p>
<p>one school my d applied to that I thought WOULD be on this list, but is not: Univ of San Diego.
Some of the other ones she applied to that I thought WOULD NOT BE on the list, but are: U Miami and UCLA</p>
<p>Do they know something we don’t know, or is this whole thing pretty arbitrary?</p>
<p>Not to mention DePauw, which has recently taken a public, and well-substantiated, beating for fostering a culture where looks and social status are enormously important…</p>
<p>But not Haverford, with one of the strictest honor codes in the nation? Very strange list.</p>
<p>This list of schools can’t correct, because at least four of the schools are traditional football powerhouses –> winners. And “building character” has long been the exclusive domain of <em>losing</em> football coaches. (“Well, we didn’t win a lot of games, but we sure were building a lot of character in these fine young men.”)</p>
<p>And “character” is a pretty abstract concept anyway (which is why no one can challenge the losing coaches’ assertions), so how does one accurately measure an abstraction?</p>
<p>The Templeton organization seems to have teamed up with the United Auto Workers Union and General Motors to recognize schools that develop character at the secondary school level as well. At a time when single parent households are at an all time high and crime has become rampant at the secondary school level, I think this is an excellent program. AND I do like the thought of character development carrying on through the college level as well. </p>
You make this assumption because two schools you admire were left off the list? That’s quite a leap.</p>
<p>How many Quaker colleges are there in the entire US? Not many. Even if you count ones like Bryn Mawr that may have been founded by the Quakers, but are non-denominational.</p>
<p>You guys should spend a little more time browsing around the Templeton site.</p>
<p>They actually have a list of some 350 colleges – chosen because they excel in one of several different areas. Community service learning, etc. etc.</p>
<p>Emerald, could you please provide links for us all. Thank you.</p>
<p>I have an inkling that there is a very real correlation between schools that spend time building character and schools with the happiest students. Would anyone agree?</p>